Why Labour lost

StevieJ

leveller2911 wrote: »

Are you Trolling Stevie?, you bad boy.I know its Friday and the start of the weekend but have you hit the sauce early?:D

No I just wonder how long it will be before some of those genuine LibDem MPs jump ship

leveller2911

StevieJ wrote: »

No I just wonder how long it will be before some of those genuine LibDem MPs jump ship

But have you thought that Joe Public wouldn't vote Labour if there was a General election soon given the fact that they are leaderless and have no clear direction to take the country in......

You never know Stevie it possible that the Tories could get an outright majority next time.............. That would surpise you ...;)

Thrugelmir

StevieJ wrote: »

A bit cloud cuckooish that, election tomorrow and it would be a Labour win, in 12 months it will be a Labour landslide, LibDems stripped down to one or two seats in Cornwall and the Scottish Isles (if they are lucky).

I would interested to see Labours manifesto if that was the case. As so far all the the leadership candidates have backed Brown's policies. Yet Mandleson's memoirs point to fundamental disagreement in economic policy (Darling). So somebody has to has break ranks and distance themselves from the past. The era of New Labour as dreamt up by Brown & Blair many many years ago is over.

StevieJ

leveller2911 wrote: »

But have you thought that Joe Public wouldn't vote Labour if there was a General election soon given the fact that they are leaderless and have no clear direction to take the country in......

You never know Stevie it possible that the Tories could get an outright majority next time.............. That would surpise you ...;)

Certainly would They won't be leaderless, they would bring forward the election, the one trump card - No Brown in the cabinet, they could still make a Balls up although highly unlikely.

michaels

I still don't buy Brown as having been new Labour but I have been wrong before.

Thrugelmir

michaels wrote: »

I still don't buy Brown as having been new Labour but I have been wrong before.

In 1983 when Brown won his seat for the first time. He shared a commons office with new boy Tony Blair. New Labour was an idea born out of a frustration with Old Labour and its more extreme left wing members. Later on Neil Kinnock spotted the potential of both, and gave them shadow ministerial posts. The rest is now history.......

flyingscotno1

StevieJ wrote: »

No I just wonder how long it will be before some of those genuine LibDem MPs jump ship

If they get an AV or PR through Parliament it will, even given 2 poor election results actually be worth it for them IMV.

Gorgeous_George

Labour lost because The Sun newspaper wanted them to lose. People are brainwashed into thinking what The Sun wants them to think.

Gordon Brown had a tough time. The global economic meltdown was a disaster not of his making but the country could have been better prepared for the problems. I don't think any party would have prepared us regardless of what they might say with the benfit of hindsight. I believe that Gordon Brown's leadership steered the World away from far more serious consequences of the credit crunch.

Others are welcome to disagree. I'm happy with any Government.

GG

marklv

Gorgeous_George wrote: »

Labour lost because The Sun newspaper wanted them to lose. People are brainwashed into thinking what The Sun wants them to think.

Gordon Brown had a tough time. The global economic meltdown was a disaster not of his making but the country could have been better prepared for the problems. I don't think any party would have prepared us regardless of what they might say with the benfit of hindsight. I believe that Gordon Brown's leadership steered the World away from far more serious consequences of the credit crunch.

Others are welcome to disagree. I'm happy with any Government.

GG

Labour lost because its time was up. Simple as that. In Britain, very few governments last more than three terms - the Conservative period between 1979 and 1997 was an exception. What saved the Tories in 1992 - a period when there was a recession just as bad, if not worse, than the current one - was that John Major was popular. Thatcher, who by then was extremely unpopular, was out of the way and Major was seen as some kind of innocent, blameless politician who was trying his best for the country. The trouble with Gordon Brown is that he was never very popular, even at the best of times. His best opportunity was to have called an election in October or November 2007; had he done so he might yet have won. Unfortunately for him he decided against. Lack of political courage? Maybe. I think he was too optimistic - a dangerous flaw in a politician.

marklv

StevieJ wrote: »

No I just wonder how long it will be before some of those genuine LibDem MPs jump ship

The Lib Dems are pretty much finished as a party. If they rebelled now and caused the fall of the government the Tories would probably win an outright majority in a general election and the Lib Dems would be slaughtered. They have staked everything on the AV referendum and they will want to see that take place - and they must now hope and pray that the referendum is favourable to them. It would be a disaster for Clegg and his party if they lost the AV referendum; it really would destroy the Lib Dems for decades.