UK Population to grow 25%, Britain biggest country in Europe by 2050

Kohoutek

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Ah, I see...... So immigrants from anywhere are OK now so long as they are properly "integrated into society".

If you mean they should all learn to speak at least some basic English and learn about our cultural values, I don't think many people would find that unreasonable.

If you mean they should all respect the laws of the land, and make an effort to participate in society, then I don't think anyone would find that unreasonable either.

However as all of those things now happen in the vast majority of cases, I rather suspect that isn't what you mean at all...

I don't think you've got a very good perspective from Aberdeen if you seriously believe that.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

And of course, our own white native born population are models of virtuous integration, with never a segregated ghetto in site......

I wasn't arguing that "own white native born population are models of virtuous integration" – stop trying to imply being that people that don't agree with you are racists – it makes you look you can't debate the issue without resorting to being a politically correct moron.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

We have Scottish nationalists, Irish nationalists, Welsh nationalists, and English nationalists all actively campaigning for the break up of the Union.

And that is supposed to be an argument that integration is a bad thing? I wasn't distinguishing between cultural separateness from immigrants and Irish/Welsh/English/Scottish nationalists.

The fact that many Scottish and Welsh people identify themselves as Scottish or Welsh, not British/British second isn't a good thing from the perspective of governing the country – it means more levels of bureaucracy (e.g. Scottish Parl/Welsh Assembly) and more transfer payments needed to keep nationalities happy. I'd don't see why it would be a good thing if immigrants identify themselves as something other than British too.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Britain is already a collection of different cultures/languages/self-identifying nationalities. Our road signs are in three different languages

Well the language issue is a red herring – most people in Wales don't speak Welsh, despite the road signs. If people in Wales, Scotland and England actually spoke different languages, then governing the country would be extremely difficult and there would be far more tensions for a break-up of Britain (see Belgium).

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

we have such different self-identifying nationalities that we've spent the last thousand years slaughtering each other on a grand scale, and still do in some parts today.

People slaughtering themselves is not evidence that lack of integration is a good thing mate....If a sense of being integrated into to Britain as well being "English" and "Scottish" has stopped "slaughter on a grand scale", surely that's a good thing?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Nationalistic terrorism from native born white christians has killed more people in this country than islamic terrorism ever will

I made no reference to terrorism or Islamic terrorism. Trying to imply I'm a bigot again aren't we?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Your utopian Little Englander ideals do not exist, and never have.

Wanting immigrants to integrate has got nothing to do with being a "little Englander". There are alternative policies other than the model of multiculturalism that's been practised in Britain for the last few decades. Look at France and Italy...their attitude is more like monoculturalism.

StevieJ

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

What irony is that?

Maybe an inverted sense of history repeating

marklv

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

OK, let me see if I can get this.....

"White Christian European" immigration is OK...... But Muslims are not.

So what about White European Muslims? Are they OK to let in?

Or Christian Arabs? What about them?

What about Hindu Indians, or Buddhist Asians? And why are they different to Pakistani Muslims?

Oh, and Catholic Africans, or Voodoo Cubans? Are we worried about a conflict of crucifixes and chicken sacrifices?

Native Americans perhaps?

And are athiests to be allowed from anywhere?

And what about the French? Are the french of north african muslim descent to be banned whilst white catholic parisiennes are allowed entry?

I'd be delighted if you could answer for each of those groups, just so I can see why your approach is different from racism.....

You know very well what I'm trying to say - there is a danger from Muslim extremism and this is recognised by many mainstream politicians. I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you.

System

I had lunch 2 weeks ago with my team at work, there was me, an Indian, a Nigerian, a Romanian, a Scotsman and a girl from Vietnam.

Sounds like the start of a joke but it's not.

Sure we looked like a United Colours of Benetton advert but it was nice.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

marklv wrote: »

You know very well what I'm trying to say - there is a danger from Muslim extremism and this is recognised by many mainstream politicians. I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you.

Now wait a minute, I'm genuinely concerned about mass immigration of Voodoo practicing Haitians. I mean, what if they start sticking pins in a Groundkeeper Willy figurine.....

Which is why I'm so keen to hear how one can discriminate against certain ethnic backgrounds and it not be racist..... Which you repeatedly claim is possible.

But back to the muslims, can you point me to all the "mainstream politicians" who recognise muslim immigration (as opposed to extremism) poses a danger to society?

I'm curious to see who they are.....

And I'm still waiting for your thoughts on White European muslims, or dark skinned Christian Arabs..... Not to mention the French. It will no doubt be absolutely fascinating to hear how one can determine who is a threat based solely on religious and ethnic origin.

rickcuzza

how do they predict these things? Surely predicting this far in advance is pointless

marklv

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Now wait a minute, I'm genuinely concerned about mass immigration of Voodoo practicing Haitians. I mean, what if they start sticking pins in a Groundkeeper Willy figurine.....

Which is why I'm so keen to hear how one can discriminate against certain ethnic backgrounds and it not be racist..... Which you repeatedly claim is possible.

But back to the muslims, can you point me to all the "mainstream politicians" who recognise muslim immigration (as opposed to extremism) poses a danger to society?

I'm curious to see who they are.....

And I'm still waiting for your thoughts on White European muslims, or dark skinned Christian Arabs..... Not to mention the French. It will no doubt be absolutely fascinating to hear how one can determine who is a threat based solely on religious and ethnic origin.

I'm getting tired - and pi**ed off - with your monotonous usage of the 'R' word as an automated defence mechanism against anyone who objects to a multiracial society.

Therefore my final answer to you is to get shafted.

System

marklv wrote: »

I'm getting tired - and pi**ed off - with your monotonous usage of the 'R' word as an automated defence mechanism against anyone who objects to a multiracial society.

Therefore my final answer to you is to get shafted.

Ignore my imagelink fail please

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

marklv wrote: »

I'm getting tired - and pi**ed off - with your monotonous usage of the 'R' word as an automated defence mechanism against anyone who objects to a multiracial society.

Do you have a better word than Racist to describe anyone "who objects to a Multi-Racial society".....

See, you lot tend to use the words "multicultural society"..... Until we rattle you.

And then the truth comes out.:cool:

Therefore my final answer to you is to get shafted.

Hey, if the shoe jackboot fits....

Exocet

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

stuff....

Ah Hamish, there you are. Here's a suggestion. Try prefacing each and every post with "IMO", or "I think", or "It might be". A couple of weeks and you will feel humbler and better about yourself, and we too well welcome the new slightly humbler Hamish.

It's just, every thing on here is opinion, even if linked to something, it is only the original authors opinion and interpretation. That's why even now historians argue over stuff that happened hundreds of years ago. Let alone on this cutting edge forum. er.

Anyway, just MY OPINION. Fed up with being told all the time.