Let's help Duncan Smith - how would YOU improve the benefits system?

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Wookster wrote: »

Tax credits are the most stupid thing. Hard to administer and they have the effect of providing a disincentive for people to go back to work.

In my case tax credits allowed me to go back to work - I couldn't have afforded the nursery bill without them. At least with me working I was also contributing to another person working and they were also paying taxes.

Shakethedisease

Perhaps the mothers don't know. Slappers.

Perhaps there are people that get amused posting crap like this. !!!!!!.

ILW

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Perhaps there are people that get amused posting crap like this. !!!!!!.

What would you call them?

carolt

ILW wrote: »

What would you call them?

And what would you call the fathers of those babies? Who shoulder no responsibility at all?

Presumably a similar term, I hope.

ILW

carolt wrote: »

And what would you call the fathers of those babies? Who shoulder no responsibility at all?

Presumably a similar term, I hope.

Yes.
They are a total waste of air and should not be rewarded for the lifestyle they have chosen. The difference is the girls have to bear the resposibilty for the child. Contraception is cheap, simple to use and pretty reliable and right or wrong these girls need to be shamed into not having children they cannot afford to support.

Pennywise

bristol_pilot wrote: »

Small businesses would not all go under if they had to pay £10 per hour, because their competitors within the UK would also have to pay this level. We cannot hope in the UK to compete with foreign businesses on the basis of low wages, but rather on the basis of innovation and customer focus. This means a high-wage economy, not a low wage one, and companies already doing this are already paying well over £10 per hour. I accept, however, that a few dodgy businesses would be shaken out of the system but the whole point would be that the taxpayer is currently subsidising these businesses through the tax and benefits syatem and this is not providing good value.

OK, so businesses pay all their staff more - don't forget that those earning more than £10 per hour now want more to maintain differentials etc - the result is higher prices. Now, everything costs more to buy, so the £10 ph minimum wage isn't enough anymore. So the answer is to raise the minimum wage again - Oh dear - anyone see the flaw here?

I'm a firm believer that tax credits and housing benefits were a major contributor to the higher costs of living over the past decade. It's a vicious circle. The more money people have, the more they spend, cost of living rises, and round and round it goes.

StevieJ

Pennywise wrote: »

OK, so businesses pay all their staff more - don't forget that those earning more than £10 per hour now want more to maintain differentials etc - the result is higher prices. Now, everything costs more to buy, so the £10 ph minimum wage isn't enough anymore. So the answer is to raise the minimum wage again - Oh dear - anyone see the flaw here?

I'm a firm believer that tax credits and housing benefits were a major contributor to the higher costs of living over the past decade. It's a vicious circle. The more money people have, the more they spend, cost of living rises, and round and round it goes.

I was of the opinion that tax credits and HB kept pooer peoples wages down which is more of problem as I don't like subsidising unscrupulous employers.

bendix

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Perhaps there are people that get amused posting crap like this. !!!!!!.

Oooooh, I struck a nerve. Nerves are only struck for a reason.

Care to share your story?

zygurat789

bendix wrote: »

Perhaps the mothers don't know. Slappers.

Shows who you mix wuth

bendix

I admit it was a bit close to the bone, zygurat789, but it's a half decent point. I'd be very surprised if some of the tracksuit panted, obese monstrosities I see walking around with snot-covered offspring around the streets on Westbourne Grove where I live have a clue - or care - who the fathers are.

So long as they get their benefits, they're fine.