Should I query my looming redundancy?

PaulJM

This must be the busiest board of the lot...depressing.

My boss has told me that tomorrow, he'll be up to see me to put me on redeployment - boo. I've been through this every year for the last 3 yrs, and come out ok, but I've usually been 'pooled', and due to my record, have survived.

So this time, I'm feeling a bit exposed.
I'm in a department where I'm the only one with my job title, and this is now not needed.
However, I was previously working with 5 others that share the same job desc and title, and moved across to another dept.
This department is part of a larger dept - so whilst those others are safe, I'm under redeployment.
Is this right? I always thought they needed to make your job redundant, not you.
My dept is part of a bigger dept, and the guys that are not under redeployment sit there...
Lets say the manager two levels above me runs dept 'A'. His report, my manager, runs Dept 'B'. My colleagues, with the same JD and title, sit under 'A' (even at the same site as me) - yet it's only me, in dept B, that this has hit, so they will not be under redundancy.
Does that make sense? I understand that if you work at a site, with the same JD as others in different sites, they can do this, as they can close the site, but this isn't the case - there will be 4 more people, exactly the same as me, at the same site, under the same ultimate manager, who will be fine - and I haven't been pooled!
This fees wrong?
Help!

SarEl

And it quite possibly is wrong. If there are other people doing the same job as you, whether or not they are on the same site (if you were, for example, willing to relocate somewhere else, then other sites could be included in a pool too), then there is a strong argument for saying that there should be a pool of those posts. In fact, they do not even have to do the same job as you to be in a pool - there is a term called bumping (google it) which describes placing in a pool any post that you could reasonably do.

You need to read up on the processes and then challenge the employer - raise a grievance (but quickly).

PaulJM

Had my meeting today - I'm on a consultation period! Boo...

Anyway, brought up the issues between depts, and the fact that my job title is the same as others that haven't been pooled..
they say they'll get back to me..

We'll see....but if anyone has views on the above, let me know!

PaulJM

Bumping this up to see if I can get any advice!
So I've been at risk for a month and a half now, and after a strong start, I've not found anything internally, so losing motivation....it'll come back, one hopes!

Anyway, I've had my first appeal meeting today, but I think they will come back with the same answers. My question, to recapp, is -

I'm in Dept A, and the only one of my JT and JD in that dept.
Dept B, which I used to belong to, but when moved didn't change anything about the way I work, has 6 people with the same JT and JD as me.
So my manager works for the same person as the manager of Dept B.

I haven't been pooled against any of these people, but they argue that the manager of Dept A and B has 1000 people in, so the lines have to stop somewhere.
I am still at the same site as my colleagues with the same job.

I was under the impression that if there were jobs the same, or very similiar in the business, they had to consider all of those people?

SarEl

Sorry, but if if they have drawn a line, rightly or wrongly, and refuse to reconsider it, then it's an employment tribunal matter to decide whether the line was right or wrong. Provided you have kept evidence of your arguments on this and have made the points, then technically the employer may do as they wish. Whether they can legally do as they wish cannot be determined by anyone but a tribunal.