Looking for some advice...family law??

purplestar87

xmaslolly76 wrote: »

I really dont know hun but i do believe it is a slightly different process if the child is already being cared for by yourselves already. Which is why i said better to get a solicitor so you know what to expect and have everything in place when the time comes. x

ok thanks. thats what we will do, hopefully tmoro. thanks everyone for takin the time to read and reply xxx

gizmo111

Scotland is a liitle different in so much as they have childrens panels which are made up of laymen with an interest in teh children.
My understanding is that your mum already has residency order for the child and therefore any proceedings would have be taken against her if there was any concern for the care he was receiving under that order. The other children will be treated differently as their circumstances are entirely different. Social Services look to place children within the family if at all possible - not remove them from where they are settled. Is there any possibility of your mum having any of the other children?
The HV needs to check her information and be cautious when handing out advice of this nature - I wouldn't start handing out health advice and she shouldn't be handing out advice on how childrens services work.
I will check further with someone I know in Scotland - but it won't be tonight, get back to you tomorrow hopefully.

elliebobs

Hi, as others have said Scottish law differs from that in England.

You could try having a read of another thread on here though for some info; it's from a poster called Mooloo and it's usually on the first page of this board.

In a nutshell (as it is v v long) she is looking after her grand daughter as her daughter has been deemed unfit. I suggest you only read the last couple of pages or even PM her as she has had battle upon battle with social services in her county so she would know how best to go about things. She has coped admirably though and it's looking likely, with social services backing, that the grand daughter will not have to go into care and be fostered/adopted outside the family.

I wish you and your mum luck and fervently hope that commen sense prevails for you and the little one.
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/1736271

gizmo111

elliebobs wrote: »

Hi, as others have said Scottish law differs from that in England.

You could try having a read of another thread on here though for some info; it's from a poster called Mooloo and it's usually on the first page of this board.

In a nutshell (as it is v v long) she is looking after her grand daughter as her daughter has been deemed unfit. I suggest you only read the last couple of pages or even PM her as she has had battle upon battle with social services in her county so she would know how best to go about things. She has coped admirably though and it's looking likely, with social services backing, that the grand daughter will not have to go into care and be fostered/adopted outside the family.

I wish you and your mum luck and fervently hope that commen sense prevails for you and the little one.
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/1736271

Mooloo's thread is a good read, however the child in this case is already subject to a residence order, so there shouldn't even be any SS involvement.

Savvy_Sue

And Mooloo's situation is WAY more complicated, I'd advise against reading it in this case!

Fang_3

I don't have any advice but I wish you and your mother all the luck in the world. Would it be possible for your mum to look after the remaining boys too?

*Louise*

Fang wrote: »

I don't have any advice but I wish you and your mother all the luck in the world. Would it be possible for your mum to look after the remaining boys too?

I was also wondering this. It would be a lot to ask of her though, I just feel so sad for those boys

purplestar87

thanks soo much for all the advice. i started readin mooloo's thread but got a bit confused and made me a bit more worried. she is great tho and i totally admire her.

the thing with the other boys is complicated. the oldest, well he is more than a handful, tried to kill the second oldest and then gave him a knife and told him to kill himself. its such a long story...the oldest's father died when he was a few months old (overdose) and the father of the other 3 has always been there as his father but 3 years ago he found out that he wasnt his real dad...however his behaviour was waay bad before that although everyone seems keen to blame that. he is part of the reason the kids where kept on 'at risk' even when the father went. he mostly stays with the gran now, who is as bad as the mother, she buys him cigarettes, lets him run riot, forever havin the police at her door, and now has an asbo - she's almost 60 and in bad health but cant see past her blue eyed boy (he's always been her favourite). plus he has no respect for anyone or anythin, esp my mum as she takes no nonsense of him. so he would have to stay with gran but SS say he's not better with her as still same bad behaviour and smokin and no school etc.

the second oldest is actually a really nice quite boy who want to go to school and play and usual kid stuff. but has taken to self harmin and sees a child psychologist who has warned he may snap at any point because of whats he's been through - imagine at 8 being told to kill yourself by your big brother, no wonder he's messed up. my mm has had to keep him for a few days here and there but the SS wouldnt let him stay here as firstly we dont have the room, plus it would then put the LO at risk again.

the second youngest is following in the oldest footsteps, at 5yrs old he is soo violent and attacks the mother, smashes things up, tried to attack the LO with a hammer last year - just as well we supervise the visits or i dread to think what could have happened.

so in answer to my mum takin them...no. the rest of the family are as much of a mess so wouldnt put a child into any of their homes. i feel so sorry for the boys, but tbh, for their sake they would be best of gettin a new start with people who could help and really take care of them.

but for the LO, he's so settled here, and like you say it would be silly to remove him. my mum got a hold of the social worker and she said that there is a possibility that they could take them all then make a new order and place him back with us, but she cant say anythin for certain and we shouldnt worry as they know he is perfectly safe with us.

they are havin a child protection meeting next week - D day for the mother and considering she hasnt met any of the targets they set her, its not lookin good. i will keep you updated and thanks for all your kind thoughts and advice xxx

Kimitatsu

Hi Purplpestar

The only guidance I can give is that social services (wherever they are) are under the guidance to keep children with family members wherever possible, so on the basis that your Mum has a RO for the littlest one and he is thriving it would make no sense to remove him from a home where he has family input.

The HV is right that the other 3 may be removed from the mother and they will seek to place the boys either in foster care or with family or close friends to keep the continuity of care. Your Mum does not have to take on any of them if she does not feel she can cope and from what you have said then the older ones may benefit from being placed in specialist foster homes anyway. However your Mum can still ask for the visits to continue so that they keep the family link.

HTH

pigpen

They will not take the youngest from where he is now as a residency order has been granted.. they have already invested a chunk of money into securing his safety they are not about to go upsetting a functioning unit.

They might however, ask her to take on the older 3 as well.. in order to 'keep them together' .. or not given your last post.. not that I would blame her!!

they do try to keep looked after children within the family so they (don't have to pay foster carers!) are with people the know and who know them as apparently it is better for their mental wellbeing etc.