How do I copy/burn mp3 music from my PC onto CDs

marleyboy

Completely agree, I guess that makes me a fugitive :D

weegie.geek

Most laws make sense. Don't kill people, don't steal things, don't get drink and drive. In all those circumstances there is a clear victim, so you can put yourself in their position, realise it wouldn't be pleasant to be in their shoes, and decide it's probably a good idea not to murder/steal/drive home while steaming.

This crime doesn't have a victim. When I copy a CD i own onto my MP3 player to enjoy it in a more convenient way, nobody loses anything. Everyone is in the same position, my life's just a little easier.

What kind of corrupt system would criminalise you for that?

lucylucky

I think the whole copying thing as crime is the fact that it may, and I do mean may, support other crimes.

Glasgow is well known (as weegie.geek will be aware) for having a large counterfeit culture.

Just go to The Barras any weekend and you can get almost anything that has ever been released, whether that be music, DVD or software

weegie.geek

Haven't been to the Barras for 15 years, is the piracy still a problem there? I'd have thought the advent of P2P and broadband would negate its usefulness.

And I agree that it may support other crimes, but we're talking about commercial piracy now. It's no secret that a lot of the profit made from piracy in the Barras was Ireland-bound, funding some less than pleasant things. I'd imagine today's equivalent is the middle east. Back then I had no concept of this kind of thing and I did frequent the Barras, spending my pocket money on Amiga games. I'm completely against commercial piracy for many reasons. Torrent sites which ask for donations, usenet providers (if they wanted, they could just not carry the piracy binary groups - they carry them because they're blatantly looking to profit from piracy), people selling copied CDs and DVDs at the barras, car boots etc. The law should be going after all that lot, if they must. IMO they've got more important things to do than prosecute people for pirating something they may or may not have bought anyway. They should be spending money stopping violent crimes, drug dealing etc. Things that affect people.

Me copying a CD i bought onto my mp3 player isn't piracy.

marleyboy

Commercial piracy is a different issue, however, its going to go on regardless, I remember in the 80's was this "copied videos are poor quality" and this was indeed true, up came the digital era, starting with the compact disk, whereas tape to tape lost its quality, a digital copy will always be as unique as the original digital format. It was inevitable that mass production of a cd, would produce a cd of the same quality. This format went onto DVD, hey presto even movies were being massed produced.

But lets look at this another way, when I go out and buy a DVD, I am not buying a unique DVD, I select my movie from the store that contains hundreds of the same DVD, in effect they are mass produced copies, however original they are. It therefore costs the same for the industry to mass produce, as it does the pirate.

Likewise I do not go out buying copied movies, I certainly not interested in watching a "taped in the cinema" production, If its a movie I really want to see, I prefer to wait til it is out on release.

Of course time has moved on so fast, I no longer buy DVD's, I watch my movies online nowadays, (legally), as I have a pc hooked upto my television and Dolby Surround, its more convenient for me.

My days of going to blockbusters are well and truly over. But Pirated movies, or ripped movies from dvd rental stores, as well as ripped offline, will never stop. If Joe Public can watch a movie at the fraction of a price, its inevitable they will.

The same applis to music, if Joe public can buy a cd for 20p, that is as good digital quality as the one for £12, they are not going to be interested in the printed cover. Inevitably they will buy the cheaper one, all this crap about it funding terrorism is hogwash, a guy in the pub selling a few disks is hardly building a bomb.

The only way the music n movie industry can fight this trade is to make it more lucrative, maybe the cover design includes a special edition holographic sleeve, or a bonus booklet, either that or they reduce the costs to match their mass produced disk to the pirates mass produced disk.

I cannot say I have ever bought a pirated movie, its too easy to do myself, I am just not interested, once I have seen a movie, thats pretty much it.

The times I used to go through my huge video collection, saying "seen it","seen it","seen it" knowing full well, I had seen them all. The same applied when I replaced VHS with DVD, I had a huge collection of DVDs, but I had seen them all too.

The only DVDs I keep now, are box sets, I have complete box set of Red Dwarf, Shameless, Life on Mars and a small collection of disney movies for the little un, but thats it now.

The rest I uploaded to hard drive and sold them on a car boot, along with my Cds. (I still have my Vynil Collection though, Some things you just wont part with).

I do not sell copied movies or cds, I did this solely to clean up the clutter, and nowadays if there is a new movie or album I want, I buy it online and store it on my Hard Drive. The only Movies or Albums I am ever likely to buy in a store, will be box sets. But that is just me.

However, there are lots of pirated movies n music albums floating around for sale, the reason - they sell. This will go on regardless, there is nothing to stop it, because its so easy to do, and a damn sight cheaper than the shops. Even software isnt safe, anything in digital format can be reproduced, whilst this is the case, they will always be available cheaper than the shops.

Already Blu Ray has been cracked, and movies in Blu Ray will soon be available ripped. Of course Blu Ray have got the right idea, it costs just as much to buy a blank Blu Ray Disk as it does to buy the movie, meaning a riped Movie will cost as much as the original. A customer is far more likely to buy the original than the copy, if the prices match each other. Its why the PS3 is such a success from outwitting the pirates. (for now;)).

googler

....and all this pontification helps the OP.... how?

marleyboy

Let the OP decide that for themselves, you are free to wander around the other threads if you have nothing constructive to add.

weegie.geek

It's a discussion forum googler, we're discussing.

marleyboy wrote: »

The same applis to music, if Joe public can buy a cd for 20p, that is as good digital quality as the one for £12, they are not going to be interested in the printed cover. Inevitably they will buy the cheaper one, all this crap about it funding terrorism is hogwash, a guy in the pub selling a few disks is hardly building a bomb.

You've no idea what that guy in the pub does with his money. A lot of piracy is part of organised crime. Like I said earlier, the Glasgow commercial piracy scene used to help fund the IRA, among other organised crimes. There are people with a duplicator lining their own pockets, but a lot of it IS organised crime, a room full of duplicators churning out hundreds of discs an hour.

The only way the music n movie industry can fight this trade is to make it more lucrative, maybe the cover design includes a special edition holographic sleeve, or a bonus booklet, either that or they reduce the costs to match their mass produced disk to the pirates mass produced disk.

They're already doing the latter in Russia, but that's because pirates are the majority there. The former, I don't think will do them any good. MP3s have taken people away from caring about packaging. People pay the same for mp3s as they would for a CD of the same album. People care about convenience more than tangible possessions, and appear to be willing to pay full price but have nothing to hold in their hands.

The people who pirate will probably pirate no matter what. You could make films a pound a go and people would still download them.

The rest I uploaded to hard drive and sold them on a car boot, along with my Cds. (I still have my Vynil Collection though, Some things you just wont part with).

See, that's piracy. You took copies of them and sold the originals. That's no different from getting a lovefilm subscription and copying everything, or borrowing them from the library.

However, there are lots of pirated movies n music albums floating around for sale, the reason - they sell. This will go on regardless, there is nothing to stop it, because its so easy to do, and a damn sight cheaper than the shops. Even software isnt safe, anything in digital format can be reproduced, whilst this is the case, they will always be available cheaper than the shops.

Of course, the content creators have to attempt to recoup their outlay. Pirates have the cost of a drive and a 20p blank DVDR to recoup. The movie or music industry will never be able to compete with that kind of business model.

Already Blu Ray has been cracked, and movies in Blu Ray will soon be available ripped. Of course Blu Ray have got the right idea, it costs just as much to buy a blank Blu Ray Disk as it does to buy the movie, meaning a riped Movie will cost as much as the original. A customer is far more likely to buy the original than the copy, if the prices match each other. Its why the PS3 is such a success from outwitting the pirates. (for now;)).

Movies in blu-ray are already available ripped. Most are bigger than the 25GB a sensibly priced blank blu-ray costs, but the pirates can strip out foreign language audio, reencode the video to a lower bitrate, etc, to get it down to 25GB. Not the same as the retail disc but it'll fit on a 2 quid blank.

PS3 games can be downloaded. They just can't be played on retail PS3s yet because the PS3's anti-piracy setup is pretty solid. People in the industry, or magazine reviewers have debug consoles which will play backups. Blank blu-rays can be bought for a couple of pounds each. Most PS3 games are much smaller than the 25GB. Most would fit on a blank dual layer DVDR. I believe the debug consoles will play games from the hard drive though, so no need to even burn them.

Most piracy these days is non-profit I think. I don't have figures, but with the advent of P2P it's taken the need to pay for it away from people. 20 years ago it was difficult to find anything to download, and even if you knew where to look your internet connection was so slow it was pointless trying to download it.

These days we all have broadband, and even a deathly slow 512kbps connection can download a movie in a few hours. We don't pay per minute any more, so it being slow doesn't really matter.

Sure, there's still piracy at The Barras, car boot sales and people still come round pubs with bags full of copied films, so it must still be worth their while doing it, but that's probably a minority thing these days compared with bittorrent etc.

marleyboy

I'm pretty sure the guy in the pub used the proceeds to buy another pint, but in stark reality Joe Public only see's a bargain (especially after a few beers), Its quite possible the Taliban have some mass production factory churning out thousands at a time, I wouldnt know, but Joe Public are not interested in what the guy selling a few disks is doing with the profits, I am not talking everyone here, I dont bother buying them because I am not interested in some "filmed at a cinema" movie. Obviously some are, as he does sell them, and continues to, regardless of you or my opinions of it.

I dint realize Blu Ray had been cracked already, and I always thought the PS3 uncrackable, It just goes to show we cannot keep up with the pirates. Surely bittorent is a form of piracy, but a very risky form, considering virus's.

Yes I guess I did copy my movies n sold them on, I never thought of it that way, my intention was to clear out the clutter, so I sold my originals at a carboot sale. Of course I did not buy movies for the sole purpose of copying them to sell on, the technology caught up with me, indeed there was no such thing as uploading them to a pc when they were released, my pc back then could not play a dvd, let alone copy one. Of course this sounds a poor excuse, whatever way we look at it, I copied them and sold the originals. The same can be said for my CD collection.

Broadband is another big step, the Internet n Broadband mean movies can be downloaded in minutes, music in seconds, and this will only get faster and bigger, so what of the future?

I can see a future where everything, from movies to music, even regular daytime tv, will all be accessed online, our televisions will become our home computer, movies will be watched live, the only survivor for the movie industry will be the big cinema. So the movie n music industry should now concentrate not so much on fancy packaging, but the internet, a pay per view service.

This wont stop the piracy, but it might cause the majority to lose interest in the pirate industry, I mean who is gonna want clutter when they can click a button and watch whatever they want, whenever they want it. The costs would vastly reduce as there is no need for fancy packaging, as well as materials.

People will happily pay for the service if they can pick literally every available movie or song they want in the comfort of their own home, bittorrents might find themselves out dated. limited to software, which people would be less likely to risk downloading for fear of a virus.

The Music industry would fend well with concerts, as the Movie industry would with Cinema's, both would work well with an online service, the humble CD has already been killed off with the MP3 era, DVD's are fast going down that road with the MP4 era.

They both need to work on copy protection, maybe using the PS3 method, where to play a song or watch a movie, means them knowing what your playing, and where you bought it. It wont completely eradicate piracy, but may eventually make piracy lose its appeal.