Replacing hot water tank with combi boiler?

ziggyman99

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

Next time (if) you ever go into the loft take a glass up with you & have a drink out of the feed & expansion tank.

Then come back & let us all know how you get on.


Seriously though AGAIN.

You need to have a look at the ingredients lists of cleaner & inhibitor & add in the fact that there is possibly lead (yes lead, you know the solder & flux you can put on radiator pipes) in there & rust.

Hardly non toxic is it?

Some people just don't get it & I guess you are just another one Ziggy.

Good luck drinking from the glass Ziggy, let us know how you are getting on from hospital.


Your still !!!!ed for me catching you out saying that with his system you could put his cylinder in the loft...

No i'm not going to drink it but it isn't poisonous. But it your a qualified heating engineer you'd know this.

Here is the COSHH sheet for a typical inhibitor...

This product is an inhibitor for new and existing central
heating systems to prevent the build up of Scale, Corrosion or
Bacteria growth.


ACUTE TOXICITY:Non hazardous substance if used correctly.
EYES: Mild irritation on contact, unlikely to cause eye damage.
SKIN: Prolonged contact may give rise to dermatitic effect.
INGESTION: No known adverse effects.
INHALATION: No inhalation hazard.
HAZARDOUS COMPONENTS:
No hazardous ingredients
THIS PRODUCT CONTAINS AMONGST OTHER INGREDIENTS:
15-30% Phosphonate
MOBILITY: Readily dissolves in water.
DEGRADABILITY: > 98% biodegradable.
ACCUMULATION: No information available.
ECOTOXICITY: No adverse effects.

and for the rust......

Ingestion: Acute: No acute health effects recorded.
Chronic: No chronic health effects recorded

As for lead. Yes there could be some as there could be in all plumbing over 15 years old. If you live in a victorian property in the city you probably drink your water out of a lead pipe.

As I said, it ain't going to kill you.

As for the cylinder. I'll carry on fitting them and taking them out for years to come.
If you don't understand how they work look them up. They have there OWN header/feed tank therefore they are fed from ABOVE.
They work. If you know different then I think you'd better explain that to all the cylinder manufacturers that make them.

ziggyman99

noodlepie wrote: »

This is a confusing thread.
Is it about a combi boiler or a combination cylinder?

Well it started as the options available for the original poster but it seems to have become a lesson in basic plumbing.

ziggyman99

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

Next time (if) you ever go into the loft take a glass up with you & have a drink out of the feed & expansion tank.

Then come back & let us all know how you get on.


Seriously though AGAIN.

You need to have a look at the ingredients lists of cleaner & inhibitor & add in the fact that there is possibly lead (yes lead, you know the solder & flux you can put on radiator pipes) in there & rust.

Hardly non toxic is it?

Some people just don't get it & I guess you are just another one Ziggy.

Good luck drinking from the glass Ziggy, let us know how you are getting on from hospital.


Your still !!!!ed for me catching you out saying that with his system you could put his cylinder in the loft...

No i'm not going to drink it but it isn't poisonous. But it your a qualified heating engineer you'd know this.

Here is the COSHH sheet for a typical inhibitor...

This product is an inhibitor for new and existing central
heating systems to prevent the build up of Scale, Corrosion or
Bacteria growth.


ACUTE TOXICITY:Non hazardous substance if used correctly.
EYES: Mild irritation on contact, unlikely to cause eye damage.
SKIN: Prolonged contact may give rise to dermatitic effect.
INGESTION: No known adverse effects.
INHALATION: No inhalation hazard.
HAZARDOUS COMPONENTS:
No hazardous ingredients
THIS PRODUCT CONTAINS AMONGST OTHER INGREDIENTS:
15-30% Phosphonate
MOBILITY: Readily dissolves in water.
DEGRADABILITY: > 98% biodegradable.
ACCUMULATION: No information available.
ECOTOXICITY: No adverse effects.

and for the rust......

Ingestion: Acute: No acute health effects recorded.
Chronic: No chronic health effects recorded

As for lead. Yes there could be some as there could be in all plumbing over 15 years old. If you live in a victorian property in the city you probably drink your water out of a lead pipe.

As I said, it ain't going to kill you.

As for the cylinder. I'll carry on fitting them and taking them out for years to come.
If you don't understand how they work look them up. They have there OWN header/feed tank therefore they are fed from ABOVE.
They work. If you know different then I think you'd better explain that to all the cylinder manufacturers that make them.

1984ReturnsForReal_2

ziggyman99 wrote: »

No i'm not going to drink it but it isn't poisonous. But it your a qualified heating engineer you'd know this.

Here is the COSHH sheet for a typical inhibitor...

This product is an inhibitor for new and existing central
heating systems to prevent the build up of Scale, Corrosion or
Bacteria growth.


ACUTE TOXICITY:Non hazardous substance if used correctly.
EYES: Mild irritation on contact, unlikely to cause eye damage.
SKIN: Prolonged contact may give rise to dermatitic effect.
INGESTION: No known adverse effects.
INHALATION: No inhalation hazard.
HAZARDOUS COMPONENTS:
No hazardous ingredients
THIS PRODUCT CONTAINS AMONGST OTHER INGREDIENTS:
15-30% Phosphonate
MOBILITY: Readily dissolves in water.
DEGRADABILITY: > 98% biodegradable.
ACCUMULATION: No information available.
ECOTOXICITY: No adverse effects.

and for the rust......

Ingestion: Acute: No acute health effects recorded.
Chronic: No chronic health effects recorded

As for lead. Yes there could be some as there could be in all plumbing over 15 years old. If you live in a victorian property in the city you probably drink your water out of a lead pipe.

As I said, it ain't going to kill you.

As for the cylinder. I'll carry on fitting them and taking them out for years to come.
If you don't understand how they work look them up. They have there OWN header/feed tank therefore they are fed from ABOVE.
They work. If you know different then I think you'd better explain that to all the cylinder manufacturers that make them.

If you think ingesting fernox cleaner & fernox inhibtor is going to cause you No known adverse effects be my guest.

As for lead, that is a medically known & well documented poison.


Losing hands down mate. Carry on.

1984ReturnsForReal_2

ziggyman99 wrote: »

As for the cylinder. I'll carry on fitting them and taking them out for years to come.
If you don't understand how they work look them up. They have there OWN header/feed tank therefore they are fed from ABOVE.
They work. If you know different then I think you'd better explain that to all the cylinder manufacturers that make them.

No you wont.

The OP was referring to his hot water tank & his water system.

I told him it is not possible. Because its not.

You interjected. You are wrong.

But you chose to argue the fact of how high above the cylinder the cistern is. Now I admit my recollection of the actual height is incorrect but the fact remains it is higher & vent pipe must be higher still as there are height requirements. Both of these you said were not true.

& its hardly advisable to put an unvented cylinder in a loft space either without easy access (permanent stairs) is it? But you said also this could be an opinion, its not. Keeping in mind also the safety required around pressurised systems.

You then went on to dig yourself out of the hole to go on about combination cylinders. Which as we all know are conventionally manufactured for smaller properties with less demand. In order for this to work in the OPs house you would also require an additional water storage vessel.


So we have established:

1: Gravity would not work
2: Unvented has safety issues
3: Combination Cylinder not suited.
4: Drinking F&E tank water will put you in hospital (I suggest you actually look at what is in the ingredients rather than the COSHH sheet, I have).
5: Some people do use leaded solder & flux on non potable pipework & lead is a poison.


I am sure you will carry on fitting cylinders. But you wouldn't do it in this house unless you want to rack up the same sort of money in a bill as fitting a new combi boiler.

Seriously though, do you really think its safe to put a unvented cylinder in the loft with no proper access? Just tell me you don't do that all day long??



& you have established:

1: That I said the cold water cistern was going to be 1.5 meters higher than the cylinder. Which if you take the height of the cold water cistern (about 400 - 600mm) & the height of the legally required vent pipe on that & add the height of the cylinder (full size because as you know a smaller one would handle enough hot water for the house size) it comes to about 2 meters.

Now you can tell me how (if that goes in, which it wont) are you going to service the ball valve???

Answers on a postcard.

ziggyman99

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

If you think ingesting fernox cleaner & fernox inhibtor is going to cause you No known adverse effects be my guest.

As for lead, that is a medically known & well documented poison.


Losing hands down mate. Carry on.

You really are thick aren't you? OK you've gone for cleaner. Why that would be in there I don't know but whatever.

Fernox Inhibitor
Fernox F3 CLEANER
and Fernox F5 CLEANER are ALL Rated 0 by COSHH - are are ALL other products put into central heating systems. They have to be. What part of that don't you understand?
Lead is poisonous. Definitely. 100%. But not in the quantities found in leaching from lead solder. If it was the hospitals would be full people.
I suggest you slink back under the bridge you came from.

ziggyman99

No you wont.

The OP was referring to his hot water tank & his water system.
Correct.

I told him it is not possible. Because its not.
It is.
You interjected. You are wrong.
Yeah right.

But you chose to argue the fact of how high above the cylinder the cistern is. No didn't read iit again thicko. Now I admit my recollection of the actual height is incorrect but the fact remains it is higher & vent pipe must be higher still as there are height requirements. Both of these you said were not true.

& its hardly advisable to put an unvented cylinder in a loft space either without easy access (permanent stairs) is it? But you said also this could be an opinion, its not. Keeping in mind also the safety required around pressurised systems. I haven't even mentioned unvented cylinders! What f**king drugs are you on?

You then went on to dig yourself out of the hole to go on about combination cylinders. Which as we all know are conventionally manufactured for smaller properties with less demand. In order for this to work in the OPs house you would also require an additional water storage vessel.
Yawn

So we have established:

1: Gravity would not work Yes it would
2: Unvented has safety issues No they don't. Not that I mentioned them though. You brought them up whilst in your drug induced state. Where did you take your unvented course?
3: Combination Cylinder not suited. Blah blah blah
4: Drinking F&E tank water will put you in hospital (I suggest you actually look at what is in the ingredients rather than the COSHH sheet, I have).BLAH BLAH BLAH
5: Some people do use leaded solder & flux on non potable pipework & lead is a poison.BLAH BLAH BLAH


I am sure you will carry on fitting cylinders. But you wouldn't do it in this house unless you want to rack up the same sort of money in a bill as fitting a new combi boiler.

Seriously though, do you really think its safe to put a unvented cylinder in the loft with no proper access? Just tell me you don't do that all day long??



& you have established:

1: That I said the cold water cistern was going to be 1.5 meters higher than the cylinder. Which if you take the height of the cold water cistern (about 400 - 600mm) & the height of the legally required vent pipe on that & add the height of the cylinder (full size because as you know a smaller one would handle enough hot water for the house size) it comes to about 2 meters.

Now you can tell me how (if that goes in, which it wont) are you going to service the ball valve???

Answers on a postcard
These really are the ramblings of an idiot.