Doing Overtime Due To Perpetual Offending Of Another employee.

Googlewhacker

DVardysShadow wrote: »

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Tactile is the last thing you should ever be with your boss.

Horses for courses I would prefer someone that comes to me and talks nicely than someone who sends me a crappy email

DVardysShadow

Googlewhacker wrote: »

Horses for courses I would prefer someone that comes to me and talks nicely than someone who sends me a crappy email

I would far prefer a crappy email to an employee touching me up. [You should look up the meaning of 'tactile'.]

But if you would be more than transiently upset by the OP's email, I don't think production management is for you. It has already been mentioned that managers in production environments can be blunt. Line workers can be equally blunt and, despite agreeing that the email is not perhaps the best style, any manager of more than a few weeks experience will have taken far worse at some stage

Googlewhacker

DVardysShadow wrote: »

I would far prefer a crappy email to an employee touching me up. [You should look up the meaning of 'tactile'.]

But if you would be more than transiently upset by the OP's email, I don't think production management is for you. It has already been mentioned that managers in production environments can be blunt. Line workers can be equally blunt and, despite agreeing that the email is not perhaps the best style, any manager of more than a few weeks experience will have taken far worse at some stage

Just as well I don't manage in that situation but at any work place politeness goes along way and respect goes along way.

I have seen tactile now, what the hell word was I looking for then!!!

DVardysShadow

Googlewhacker wrote: »

Just as well I don't manage in that situation but at any work place politeness goes along way and respect goes along way.

I have seen tactile now, what the hell word was I looking for then!!!

Tactful.

I don't see the OP's email as impolite or particularly disrespectful. He expresses strong feeling - and it seems to be a modern fashion that we should not do this at work. I do feel that the wrong arguments are used, but at the same time, the guy is not being treated correctly. He is on continuous shifts covering 24 hours with all the implications of stress and sleep disorders and health problems. Working time over the shift unnecessarily in that environment cannot be taken as casually as some people take working hours over in a 9-5 office.

Any manager in that environment who cannot see the issue is not worth his salt. Yes, OP may get stick form his manager for the email. But it would not be fair or reasonable. This issue is better expressed in not quite the best terms than not expressed at all.

Zazen999

The problem is; that the management is bad in the first place for someone to keep turning up late again and again and nothing to actually happen to him, hopefully with this complaint the boss might pull themselves together, sort this workshy fop out and keep his hard working staff [the OP] happy.

Googlewhacker

DVardysShadow wrote: »

Tactful.

thanks for that
Any manager in that environment who cannot see the issue is not worth his salt. Yes, OP may get stick form his manager for the email. But it would not be fair or reasonable. This issue is better expressed in not quite the best terms than not expressed at all.

We will have to disagree on this, I think how the email was done was out of order and you don't. The actual content of the email has a fair basis.

terryw

Within the context of a factory environment, I think that the OP's letter was perfectly acceptable.
OK, purists might argue that better language and tone could have improved it, but the guy has a genuine grievance. The ball is now in the manager's hands - it will be interesting if the OP is kind enough to let us see the reply

The main fact is that there is now a paper trail in case the matter escalates.

Meestapink

DVardysShadow wrote: »

Tactful.

I don't see the OP's email as impolite or particularly disrespectful. He expresses strong feeling - and it seems to be a modern fashion that we should not do this at work. I do feel that the wrong arguments are used, but at the same time, the guy is not being treated correctly. He is on continuous shifts covering 24 hours with all the implications of stress and sleep disorders and health problems. Working time over the shift unnecessarily in that environment cannot be taken as casually as some people take working hours over in a 9-5 office.

Any manager in that environment who cannot see the issue is not worth his salt. Yes, OP may get stick form his manager for the email. But it would not be fair or reasonable. This issue is better expressed in not quite the best terms than not expressed at all.

Many thanks for some of your responses, I could not go into massive amounts of detail about why the mail was written in such a tone but now I will briefly state the core reasons. This email was actually set out to get the managers back up about the situation, hence copying in the senior manager who inevitably the day shift manager always goes to anyway!!! The workforce as a whole know this and it is a standing joke that you may as well go straight to the top anyway. However as an ex manager and managing director myself I know that sometimes when matters like this become ignored they become a standing joke as I stated. Respect must be given to gain it and vice versa, I and many others have raised this issue many times and nothing gets done about it, 20 minutes here ,ten minutes there etc etc for the last 3 years! Let's be fair it would wind anybody up and after a while you have had enough and it is that simple. Putting this on paper raises a grievance and as such it cannot be just ignored as a moan. I was called in to see the senior manager who immediately expressed his anger about the tone, however after 5 minutes discussion as to the reasons for this he was more than sympathetic with why I had put it down as such and agreed with all of the salient points in the mail. It has however transpired that due to the clocking system the company cannot pay overtime and I must basically "pay back" the offending colleague by pitching up late myself to gain the time back. This is why I question the clock machine hours (of which if for instance you clock out before 12.30 for example you get docked) now surely this means that these clock in times used by the machine are now the adopted hours and any time accrued outside of these hours constitutes overtime?

DVardysShadow

Googlewhacker wrote: »

We will have to disagree on this, I think how the email was done was out of order and you don't. The actual content of the email has a fair basis.

The key point is that the core issue has a fair basis. If you think that the style of the email is out of order, it is clear that you are putting form above substance.

ariarnia

I would suggest you get it in writing that you have been told to take the time as toil and come in late incase you get docked then you're not being paid for the overtime and being paid less for your contracted hours...