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Salary: Competitive
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As I'm looking for a IT job, a few job-offers have the salary as competitive. OK they don't want to discuss the salary, but for the same job description you get a company paying £18k and another £28K.
I'll of course choose the 28K job, and will not even apply to the 18K one.
Or is they pay based on the experience, thou discussing salaries once they know you.
Of course puts me off: I feel they are hiding something.
I'll of course choose the 28K job, and will not even apply to the 18K one.
Or is they pay based on the experience, thou discussing salaries once they know you.
Of course puts me off: I feel they are hiding something.
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Not sure what your question is but pay is often related to experience, rightly so IMO0
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You R right lucy, I'm kind of looking for entry level/graduate positions, where a lot of students haven't any experience related to their degree.
So I think salary shouldn't be a secret...
Obviously I'm wrong.0 -
My OH has worked in IT for 20 years and is vastly more experienced than yourself and earns around the top of the scale you are quoting (although he could earn more if he travelled further, but stays where he is as it is close to home so he gets more time with the kids whilst they are small. It also has good terms and conditions and a pension plus chances to complete courses and extra qualifications-he is now microsoft certified). We also live "up north" so the saleries are slightly lower, but houses prices are alot better lol.
When looking for these type of jobs the first thing they always ask is what experience you have and to be brutally honest they don't rate a degree as much, especially compared to on the job experience.
Therefore you would be looking at a trainee or entry level position. If you are talking along the lines of 2nd level support based around microsoft knowledge there are alot of people after those jobs and you would be looking around 16k up here. OH has more speciallised experience can do programming as well, can deal with server issues/is a citrix specialist and is experienced in thin client etc etc so comands a higher salary. If he was prepared to travel more and would do out of hours coverage (done this in the past-but again whilst the kids are young prefers normal hours-although sometimes has to go in in the evenings and weekend if required, gets overtime for this-he is in now lol) he could get up to 35-40k.
Most IT jobs are advertised through agents and so if you give them a ring they can usually let you know roughly what salary is on offer, OH will tell them the min he is looking for and they will let him know if that amount is possible. Plus remember you don't have to accept a job even when offered and could take a lower paid job just to get some experience and keep looking as well.
To be honest these days there are many postgrads out of work and the IT trade is no different from any other area, people are looking to cut back/contract out/not replace staff so without specialist skills and much experience (I am assuming now from your posts you are post grad?) just getting any job may be a challenge.
good luck in your job search
ali x"Overthinking every little thing
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As I'm looking for a IT job, a few job-offers have the salary as competitive. OK they don't want to discuss the salary, but for the same job description you get a company paying £18k and another £28K.
I'll of course choose the 28K job, and will not even apply to the 18K one.
Or is they pay based on the experience, thou discussing salaries once they know you.
Of course puts me off: I feel they are hiding something.
I don't believe they will be hiding anything. If a company has a team of people then they will assess your capabilities based on your peers within that business. They will determine what your salary expectations are (and what you have earned previously) and offer a salary based on those factors. This is why some jobs are advertised with a salary range. If it's a large company then they will more than likely have fixed pay scales. A smaller business may have more flexibility.0 -
Entry level at 28k? Good luck with that, I wouldn't hire someone without any actual commercial experience at 28k. Mostly because there's probably someone happy to take it anywhere from 12k (ok yes that's awful
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You R right lucy, I'm kind of looking for entry level/graduate positions, where a lot of students haven't any experience related to their degree.
So I think salary shouldn't be a secret...
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If you'd come to work for me I'd be paying you at the bottom end because you're pretty much worthless to me other than not having to teach the basics as a lot of my IT work isn't stuff taught in University. You would require hand-holding for the first 12 months or so because you have no experience so do not have the ability to look at a set of problems and instantly know what is wrong.
For example, I had a customer yesterday drop off a laptop which kept freezing. I asked her how long she had owned it and she said 18 months. I replied it'd be ready in 30 minutes. How did I know it'd be done so quick with just that one question and without even turning on the machine? Because its in home use and in 99% of cases, once they get past 12 months the gap between the cooling fan and heatsink gets clogged up and is usually solid by 18 months. I whipped the bottom off the laptop and removed the pretty much expected rectangular block of solid fluff and dust, gave it a blow out, put it back together and ran stresstest on it.
You? Well your first point of call would have been to turn the computer on and see why Windows was crashing. You'd then fanny around in Windows for an hour or so trying to find a fault that didn't exist and then fanny around investigating hardware. In the meantime, I'd have been paying you for that first wasted hour and I've not only lost the wages for that hour but the profit for the job you'd been given plus the next one you could have fixed as well.
Many smaller businesses like mine can't afford to train people. We can do it if they're for free (intern) or on govt funded scheme and TBH, there are enough unemployed people with experience that we don't need to.0 -
As I'm looking for a IT job, a few job-offers have the salary as competitive. OK they don't want to discuss the salary, but for the same job description you get a company paying £18k and another £28K.
I'll of course choose the 28K job, and will not even apply to the 18K one.
Or is they pay based on the experience, thou discussing salaries once they know you.
Of course puts me off: I feel they are hiding something.
Do you mean of course, it puts me off....I suspect that's the idea - they get people who think they are worth more and will promote themselves rather than who expect to waltz into a high paying job just because they have the degree....0 -
If you'd come to work for me I'd be paying you at the bottom end because you're pretty much worthless to me other than not having to teach the basics as a lot of my IT work isn't stuff taught in University. You would require hand-holding for the first 12 months or so because you have no experience so do not have the ability to look at a set of problems and instantly know what is wrong.
For example, I had a customer yesterday drop off a laptop which kept freezing. I asked her how long she had owned it and she said 18 months. I replied it'd be ready in 30 minutes. How did I know it'd be done so quick with just that one question and without even turning on the machine? Because its in home use and in 99% of cases, once they get past 12 months the gap between the cooling fan and heatsink gets clogged up and is usually solid by 18 months. I whipped the bottom off the laptop and removed the pretty much expected rectangular block of solid fluff and dust, gave it a blow out, put it back together and ran stresstest on it.
You? Well your first point of call would have been to turn the computer on and see why Windows was crashing. You'd then fanny around in Windows for an hour or so trying to find a fault that didn't exist and then fanny around investigating hardware. In the meantime, I'd have been paying you for that first wasted hour and I've not only lost the wages for that hour but the profit for the job you'd been given plus the next one you could have fixed as well.
Many smaller businesses like mine can't afford to train people. We can do it if they're for free (intern) or on govt funded scheme and TBH, there are enough unemployed people with experience that we don't need to.
Great point!!! Do people with 'IT' degrees need to know how to use a screwdriver......surely you need an engineering degree to do that!;)0 -
Entry level It position with a degree and no experience. 14-16k max.0
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Entry level at 28k? Good luck with that, I wouldn't hire someone without any actual commercial experience at 28k. Mostly because there's probably someone happy to take it anywhere from 12k (ok yes that's awful ) to 18k-ish.
£16-£18k all day long and enough CVs to take a day or two to go through properly.Not Again0
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