very weak budget

The_White_Horse

bendix wrote: »

Actually Wookster, you're wrong. You might not like the force with which TWH expresses his views, but they are obviously genuine views and frankly there are a lot of people - including myself - who agree with them. TWH falls down because occasionally the force he uses to express those views detract from their seriousness.

I bitterly resent the implication that Tories are nasty and uncaring. Absolutely on the contrary. The essence of conservatism is to free people to be the best they can be on their own two feet, to empower and enable class mobility, and to nurture/force self-sufficience. Fundamental to it is a belief that people are excellent and equal and left to their own devices will flourish.

The essence of Labour thinking, on the other hand, is that people aren't equal and some need help. In thinking that, it patronises people, smothers then and - by providing them with a support - actually stifles and destroys their potential. To me, that is criminal. To me that is uncaring and spiteful, and it's made worse because it's done under the guise of patronising, sanctimious wooly-minded good intentions.

exactly. dirty lefty filth

MGCP

The_White_Horse wrote: »

cretin is not a name, its a description.

Unless you are using it in its strict medical sense (which you're clearly not) name calling is exactly what it is.

By your standards "bell end" would be a definition too, but more apt would be "troll". Either that, or you really are in the grip of a pathological hatred of all public service employees and are unable to hold back from contantly vomiting bile onto these boards. If that is the case, you should probably take a stroll outside, look up at the blue sky, take a deep breath and gain some perspective on life, otherwise you are heading for a heart attack.

Wookster

bendix wrote: »

I bitterly resent the implication that Tories are nasty and uncaring. Absolutely on the contrary. The essence of conservatism is to free people to be the best they can be on their own two feet, to empower and enable class mobility, and to nurture/force self-sufficience. Fundamental to it is a belief that people are excellent and equal and left to their own devices will flourish.

I couldn't agree more, and on the above the Conservatives have it right, and labour are so wide of the mark its not funny.

What I call trolling is posting here that all public sector workers are scum, everyone on benefits is scum etc.

This is quite simply nonsense, and its not about having debate at all.

bioboybill

The_White_Horse wrote: »

i am completely reasonable. i believe everyone should be paid a fair wage - i just believe that those in the publ;ic sector are paid too highly. private sector businesses can pay people what they like, that is their prerogative.

in theory, i have no problem with raising a teacher's salary to say 45k instead of 35k - BUT there are too many non-job public sector workers to allow that to happen.

what is with teaching assistants? that is a non-job. they didn't exist when i was at school and we did ok. teachers should do their job properly.

i am Mr. Fairness.

You are not Mr Fairness at all. I actually agree with you that there are some non-jobs in the public sector on high salaries and that they should go. However you said that half of public sector jobs should go and those left should face a 25% cut in wages and a 4 year pay freeze.

Those views are utterly ridiculous and not fair at all. So half the number of police, teachers, nurses, doctors, lecturers, binmen, administrators, lab technicians etc and you really think this country would be better? Oh and of course let's not forget my wife should lose £3250 of her massive £13K salary and no pay rise for 4 years. You really are Mr Caring aren't you?

epsilondraconis

The Daily Mash indicates how the budget will affect you:

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/how-the-budget-will-affect-your-pointless%2c-money%11obsessed-life-201006232841/

The_White_Horse

bioboybill wrote: »

You are not Mr Fairness at all. I actually agree with you that there are some non-jobs in the public sector on high salaries and that they should go. However you said that half of public sector jobs should go and those left should face a 25% cut in wages and a 4 year pay freeze.

Those views are utterly ridiculous and not fair at all. So half the number of police, teachers, nurses, doctors, lecturers, binmen, administrators, lab technicians etc and you really think this country would be better? Oh and of course let's not forget my wife should lose £3250 of her massive £13K salary and no pay rise for 4 years. You really are Mr Caring aren't you?

but i am sure they could all get just as well paid jobs in the private sector if that is truly what they are worth.

except they are not worth it at all and would be left to rot.

some public sector jobs are needed, but at least half are not.

dori2o

The_White_Horse wrote: »

would have liked to have seen a public sector wage decrease of 10% this year followed by a freeze for the next 4 years.

all overpaid.

would have also like to see a bigger chop to the public sector - 25% is lousy. needed a 50% chop.

still better than nothing. would have also liked to see child benefit scraped for any more than 2 kids.

Why not just make us work for free?

You really are a ........

You know what I can't be ar5ed!!!!!!!


Lets get rid of the public sector all together, then see how well the country copes.

Snooze

bendix wrote: »

Actually Wookster, you're wrong. You might not like the force with which TWH expresses his views, but they are obviously genuine views and frankly there are a lot of people - including myself - who agree with them. TWH falls down because occasionally the force he uses to express those views detract from their seriousness.

I bitterly resent the implication that Tories are nasty and uncaring. Absolutely on the contrary. The essence of conservatism is to free people to be the best they can be on their own two feet, to empower and enable class mobility, and to nurture/force self-sufficience. Fundamental to it is a belief that people are excellent and equal and left to their own devices will flourish.

The essence of Labour thinking, on the other hand, is that people aren't equal and some need help. In thinking that, it patronises people, smothers then and - by providing them with a support - actually stifles and destroys their potential. To me, that is criminal. To me that is uncaring and spiteful, and it's made worse because it's done under the guise of patronising, sanctimious wooly-minded good intentions.

Excellent post! :T

bioboybill

The_White_Horse wrote: »

but i am sure they could all get just as well paid jobs in the private sector if that is truly what they are worth.

except they are not worth it at all and would be left to rot.

some public sector jobs are needed, but at least half are not.

So you actually would like to see half the number of doctors, nurses, teachers and police etc.?! :eek:

I take it you have private health care, live behind a steel cage so have no fear of crime and have no use for the education sytem?

Out of interest what job do you do, because obviously it must be of great importance?

The_White_Horse

bioboybill wrote: »

So you actually would like to see half the number of doctors, nurses, teachers and police etc.?! :eek:

I take it you have private health care, live behind a steel cage so have no fear of crime and have no use for the education sytem?

Out of interest what job do you do, because obviously it must be of great importance?

always with the doctors and nurses and teachers. no, i wouldn't like to see half of them, but I would like to see half (or even none) of the following:

Head of Children Living Away from Home - 60k

Hostel and Pathway Support Manager - 30k

Head of Digital Marketing - 58k

Availability and Improvement Office - 32k

Strategic Director of Adult Social Care & Health - 127k

Head of Value for Money - 75k

Manager Value for Money -74k - may i suggest that these two resign as their first act

Global Knowledge Management Co-Ordinator - 45k

Head of Neighbourhood Management - 50k

Consultant Social Worker - 45k (and they are underpaid????)

all unecessary garbage, and probably means 1000's of people woking and paying tax to support this. It was in the paper that an average working family pays 6400 per year in tax. Therefore, for our
Strategic Director of Adult Social Care & Health on127k
we have 20 families working full time just to pay the basic salary - let alone the pension and the bonus. It is CRIMINAL.