Lib Dems sell out

1984ReturnsForReal_2

MobileSaver wrote: »

They didn't win the election though so rather impossible for them to deliver what they promised in their manifesto.

I'm a bit confused by some of the posts on here, it doesn't take a genius to work out there would be compromises in a coalition government does it? :huh:

Taking kids out of the equation, the poorest are circa £200 per year worse off next year.

Those are the people who haven't got £200.

StevieJ

chewmylegoff wrote: »

you can look at this two ways.

(i) the lib dems have sold out and are now supporting things they opposed during their election campaign. this is terrible. they are charlatans.

(ii) the lib dems through coalition government have delivered at least some of the things that promised to do (e.g. personal allowance, rise in CGT). these things may have been watered down but it is better than getting nothing. in order to get these things they have had to agree to things they previously opposed.

so by virtue of being inside the coalition at least some lib dem policies have been implemented (albeit in a watered down form).

is this preferable to lib dem voters than no lib dem policies being implemented? i'm not a lib dem, but to my mind something is better than nothing.

Chances are the more loony policies on both sides have been ditched.

RabbitMad

chucky wrote: »

and the VAT increase cancels that out straight away.

Only if you spend £8k a year on VAT able items. Food doesn't generally attract vat so I don't see it completely canceling it out

Degenerate

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

That is because Labour are the past.

Well, a large number are going to defect from the Lib Dems back to Labour after this one...

Yep. They got the taste of power that they always longed for, but it's turned out to be from a poisoned chalice.

A huge amount of their vote comes from anti-Tory people voting tactically in seats that Labour could never win. Another large chunk is Labour supporters who defected because "New Labour" veered too far to the centre and Lib Dem policies were actually more socialist.

I can see them being annihilated in the next election, back to the 20 or so seats that their core vote gave them through the 80s and early 90s.

MobileSaver

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

Well, a large number are going to defect from the Lib Dems back to Labour after this one...

Degenerate wrote: »

I can see them being annihilated in the next election,

I think most people are intelligent enough and impartial enough to judge them on what they achieve over the next few years rather than any knee-jerk reaction to an emergency budget that everyone knew would be painful.

PhylPho

The amount of ZanuLabour wish fulfilment on this thread is gloriously funny: LibDems will regret this, LibDems won't vote for that, Tories and LibDems are doomed doomed doomed, Nick Clegg will never dare appear in public again. Yeah, right. After Harriet Harman's latest performance today, it's not how soon ZanuLabour will return to power that's worthy of idle speculation, but how long it'll be out of office. Thirteen years? That'll do nicely, for starters.:j

1984ReturnsForReal_2

MobileSaver wrote: »

I think most people are intelligent enough and impartial enough to judge them on what they achieve over the next few years rather than any knee-jerk reaction to an emergency budget that everyone knew would be painful.

Or poor enough.............

1984ReturnsForReal_2

PhylPho wrote: »

The amount of ZanuLabour wish fulfilment on this thread is gloriously funny: LibDems will regret this, LibDems won't vote for that, Tories and LibDems are doomed doomed doomed, Nick Clegg will never dare appear in public again. Yeah, right. After Harriet Harman's latest performance today, it's not how soon ZanuLabour will return to power that's worthy of idle speculation, but how long it'll be out of office. Thirteen years? That'll do nicely, for starters.:j

I take it you are a Tory fan......

You can't be a Liberal Dem voter....;)

FATBALLZ

How have they sold out? The Lib Dems whole premise of electoral reform that they made a massive fuss of at election time was to have a system with a permanent coalition which means compromises. Compromises means accepting things you don't necessarily agree with outright. It doesn't mean refusing to pass anything you don't agree with 100% so that nothing ever gets done. It looks like they are getting exactly what they wanted and told the people they wanted.

PhylPho

It's difficult to type this on account of the way the tears are wrecking this keyboard but our family all voted LibDem this time and are, oh heck, the tears are splashing again, we are all of us unutterably unconsolably

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