Budget - tougher for DLA claimants

ash4becks

jimbms wrote: »

Still doesn't answer the rapid eye movement statement, and if things are that bad then as someone else said you should seek professional treatment tablets do not cure everything.

you dont no how much money i would give to not have this hapen to me i have been thought so much so young and thats hard ,

the link i posted is the treatment they have said i need just what i was told from a assesment of a councilor iam trying iam just very scared i dont want to flip and lose my state of mind which is a mess enough or my dog , silly as its sounds i feel a million times better with her around i wish she could go everywhere with me i feel confidant with her around she knows when iam down and never moves from my side and makes my life worth while

and for the PTS iam not taking tablets for just my depression if it doesnt work then i will have to take tablets just what i have been told

Trialia

jimbms wrote: »

Remember it is not the Torys who got in it is a Lib/Tory government, and also you have to remember it is years of Labour overspending that have got you lot in the UK into the poor state it is now. As I have previously stated I have DLA and like you say my condition to all outside seems as though there is nothing, but as stated here we have a medical every claim and I do not fear it, last time they actually increased the amount due to the medical, so I cannot see why anyone genuine would object to the medical, if you are diagnosed and getting treatment for a condition then they can't argue, it is the ones trying it on who have the most to fear.

Hardly - the ones trying it on have the energy and mental health to cope with the humiliating process of being evaluated a damn sight better than some of the rest of us.

I told you why "anyone genuine would object to the medical", and you aren't listening to me. So long as ATOS are the ones doing the medical exams, we will have this problem. They're not doing it on medical grounds but on how many people they can get off benefits, whether they can manage without them or not!

jimbms

ash4becks wrote: »

you dont no how much money i would give to not have this hapen to me i have been thought so much so young and thats hard ,

the link i posted is the treatment they have said i need just what i was told from a assesment of a councilor iam trying iam just very scared i dont want to flip and lose my state of mind which is a mess enough or my dog , silly as its sounds i feel a million times better with her around i wish she could go everywhere with me i feel confidant with her around she knows when iam down and never moves from my side and makes my life worth while

and for the PTS iam not taking tablets for just my depression if it doesnt work then i will have to take tablets just what i have been told

I believe you have not got the gist of what I was asking, but I can see from your answer this is both confusing you and upsetting you, so forget the original question please as it was not a very serious one and concentrate on yourself.

government_slave

easy wrote: »

But without a re-assessment the authorities don't know that he is no better. And altho' your son's condition is unlikely to improve, others may improve (or change in some ways). And the only way the authorities can know this, is by re-assessing. In your case, if your son's condition is worse, a re-assessment may result in higher benefits for you.

You can't expect them to pick and choose who they can/can't re-assess, that would make the whole process pointless.

As an earlier poster pointed out, someone with an indefinate award of DLA can always be called in for re-assessment anyway, even before the new proposals.

I am not against re-assessment and I know that a life award can be looked at again. What I am against [and im probably just being selfish here] is that he has to go through all the upheaval of a medical which upsets him greatly and im the one who has to take the brunt of it for a couple of weeks afterwards, it not easy being kicked, hit, etc by a 6ft 14st man!!

jimbms

Trialia wrote: »

Hardly - the ones trying it on have the energy and mental health to cope with the humiliating process of being evaluated a damn sight better than some of the rest of us.

I told you why "anyone genuine would object to the medical", and you aren't listening to me. So long as ATOS are the ones doing the medical exams, we will have this problem. They're not doing it on medical grounds but on how many people they can get off benefits, whether they can manage without them or not!

You keep mentioning ATOS, the fact that this company are doing things although it does affect the end user and in such should be a serious consideration, does not detract from tha fact that if a proper system was in place then medical assessments should not be feared by the genuine. as for your statement "anyone genuine would object to the medical", I am genuine yet I don't object to my 3 yearly examinations, if you saw how these assessmentas are done when done correctly you would see how well it works. I do think from what you have said this ATOS crew should be got rid of before this comes into place, but if they are dumped I cannot see how you can object.

government_slave

covlass wrote: »

I know exactly how you feel, I had to fight for over a year for my DD DLA and when they decided she was no longer entitled to it. At the tribunal the Dr was not impressed that it had gone to tribunal and questioned the lady from DWP !

If they had looked at the claim correctly and had a Dr who actually knew about my daughters disabilities and contacted those who I put on forms then surely time and money would have been saved.

In a couple of years she will be 16 so I am hoping not to have to go through this again no doubt though we will. As for a medical well whilst I agree with it, it must be done correctly. Advanced warning and plenty of it so I can go over and over that days routine, no waiting about once we get there, no unexpected loud noises and plenty of understanding !!!! And if my daughter becomes distressed or has a melt down I will walk out

Understanding is what they dont seem to have. Know what you mean about loud noises my son cant stand them. I also have to tell him over and over again for weeks on end that he has a drs/dentist appointment otherwise we wont be able to go the hastle afterwards is very diffucult to cope with, not to mention the self harming he does, ie be bites himself until he bleeds.

Trialia

jimbms wrote: »

You keep mentioning ATOS, the fact that this company are doing things although it does affect the end user and in such should be a serious consideration, does not detract from tha fact that if a proper system was in place then medical assessments should not be feared by the genuine. as for your statement "anyone genuine would object to the medical", I am genuine yet I don't object to my 3 yearly examinations, if you saw how these assessmentas are done when done correctly you would see how well it works. I do think from what you have said this ATOS crew should be got rid of before this comes into place, but if they are dumped I cannot see how you can object.

I was using the quotes because I was quoting you, actually.

As you say, if a proper system was in place then they're not to be feared. The problem here is that there is NOT a proper system in place, therefore they are, at present, to be feared. Nobody in power has said anything about ATOS being replaced or retrained for this new system, and until that happens, the medicals are very much to be feared, even by the genuine claimants.

You don't seem to realise how lucky you are to have a system that does work properly, nor that we do not!

ash4becks

jimbms wrote: »

You keep mentioning ATOS, the fact that this company are doing things although it does affect the end user and in such should be a serious consideration, does not detract from tha fact that if a proper system was in place then medical assessments should not be feared by the genuine. as for your statement "anyone genuine would object to the medical", I am genuine yet I don't object to my 3 yearly examinations, if you saw how these assessmentas are done when done correctly you would see how well it works. I do think from what you have said this ATOS crew should be got rid of before this comes into place, but if they are dumped I cannot see how you can object.

i think atos are rubbish because of the system of paying bonus to get the targets!!!

i do object why because in one medical i do not belive that repesents a true picture of how someone is affected i many cases

Indie_Kid

krisskross wrote: »

I'm not bitter. I think it is very good that disabled people get financial help. I do agree that the disability must be proved though.

However you complain incessantly that you don't get enough. Obviously you must as you say you have managed to save £7K

Many disabilities can't be proved. IBS is diagnosed by elimination for other conditions, such as Crohns and Coeliacs.

You hae no idea where the £7k comes from.

[Deleted User]

I think what people keep forgeting is that ATOS is a contractor. They bid for and won a multi million pound contract to carry out assessments on behalf of the government. They are working to a critieria set by the government, they didnt just think it up themselves! If they dont fulfil the government criteria they lose the contract so they stick to it. If they did things differently or lost the contract there would be another contractor doing the same job to the same rules (if not more draconian)