Emergency Budget: tax credit cuts for millions

Deepmistrust

krisskross wrote: »

This would be because the child related benefits are not used to look after the children. You cannot have it all ways. You want loads of money given to families with children but still want taxpayers to fund the things the money is supposed to pay for.

There was a thread on here from a lady about to lose child tax credit and child benefit as her 'child' was 19. She was losing almost £125 a week!! We are not talking peanuts here and certainly enough to provide decent food.

What has happened is that children are effectively subsidising the parents. Babies are providing the wherewithal for luxury items for parents.

And I also believe that a blank cheque wasn't handed to the banks. I understood that the government now own part of SOME of them and the country actually stands to make money on the investment in the banks.

Regardless, we do not let children starve in this country. So if they are on low or no income, they get free hot meals. Time to drag yourselves into the 21st century.

If only those that whine about taxypayers money, would direct their anger at those that caused this mess in the first place.

But then, Like I said, poor people are far easier targets for the lazy wanna-be-middle-classes.

EDIT: And IF the banks have to repay the taxpayers billions, do you think they are going to retrospectively hand back the cash they are clawing from everyone at this time? No. So let's not hold our breaths just yet. Paying lip service by a bank-levy, just doesn't cut it.

daska

Deepmistrust wrote: »

The reasoning behind many low income families receiving free hot dinners, is because those hot dinners are sometimes the only decent food some children eat all week.
Sadly, that is true for many families.

krisskross wrote: »

This would be because the child related benefits are not used to look after the children. You cannot have it all ways. you want loads of money given to families with children but still want taxpayers to fund the things the money is supposed to pay for.

There was a thread on here from a lady about to lose child tax credit and child benefit as her 'child' was 19. She was losing almost £125 a week!! We are not talking peanuts here and certainly enough to provide decent food.

What has happened is that children are effectively subsidising the parents.

I quite agree with both of you. Free school dinners is one benefit where those most in need (i.e. the children) are the direct recipient. In my view this ought to be expanded. Doing this across the board (could be afforded by a 25% cut in CB once the child got to school age) would ensure that all children got one good meal a day rather than the parents getting money which could (in some instances, not all) be spent inappropriately.

OrkneyStar

Charliestwins wrote: »

Could someone help me work out what what will happen to my tax credits please as my head is spinning with all these figures.

Dp works full time £27,500 + company car (tax letter from company to declare said £2012)

Me sahm

4 (13,5,5,3) children inc 1 who i receive lower rate care dla ( cerebral palsy) and i get the disability part in my tax credits.

Help please x

I am not sure anyone can work it out exactly- all we know is the new cut off, we don't know where the tapers start for calculations or exact values of certain elements that make the calculation up! £27.5K is a fairly decent income, but I imagine you will still be entitled to something, especially with the youngest being disabled.
Not sure you will get much more info right now!

krisskross

THRIFTY_GIRL wrote: »

I take it you do not have children:cool:

We have 4 children but all born in the 1960s when parents were expected to provide for their offspring themselves.

I know my daughter in law was flabbergasted to discover the government was going to give her £40 a week when she had her long awaited child. It all goes into his savings account.

babymoo

OrkneyStar wrote: »

Is her DLA simply because she has Down's, or because she has additional care needs because of the Down's ?
Is a Down's person automatically always awarded the same rates of DLA ? If not then maybe it is to make sure she is not getting a higher or lower level than she should. Sorry if this sounds rude but it was my understanding that abilities (and hence needs) can vary amongst Down's just as they vary among non-Down's ?
x

DLA is never awarded purely because a person has a condition. DLA is always awarded on the persons care and mobility needs.

tizzy333

OK, so it sounds, in all honesty, like he is managing on a small income and having to support his new family?

There is nothing to suggest there is anything untoward going on, though I fully understand your frustration that the CSA considers his expense towards his "new" family over yours.

just because I have no evidence doesn't mean that I don't think it is happening, I just can't prove it.

I think the main issue is that a lot of people on here assume that we all have the same oppotunities and choices. everyones case is individual, it is impossible to generalise regarding childcare, incomes, child maintenance, job opportunities etc.

everyones living standards are different too, some seem to have an issue when they are on (what I would consider) to be a high income yet I would be laughing if I could earn that amount, my priority is the children being clean safe and healthy and paying the necessary bills. luxuries are just that, and are few and far between.

krisskross-
regarding school meals I have never had free school meals as my local council does not offer them in my area! and ours are £1.95 per meal, giving my kids a healthy packed lunch does not work out much cheaper than that to be honest, maybe I'm too nice and I should give mine what yours had... but then I guess me and the kids have had it easy up to now according to you...

Oh, and my circumstances were different when I had my babies, I had a husband then and wasn't counting on him leaving me in the sh*t

Deepmistrust

tizzy333 wrote: »

just because I have no evidence doesn't mean that I don't think it is happening, I just can't prove it.

I think the main issue is that a lot of people on here assume that we all have the same oppotunities and choices. everyones case is individual, it is impossible to generalise regarding childcare, incomes, child maintenance, job opportunities etc.

everyones living standards are different too, some seem to have an issue when they are on (what I would consider) to be a high income yet I would be laughing if I could earn that amount, my priority is the children being clean safe and healthy and paying the necessary bills. luxuries are just that, and are few and far between.

krisskross-
regarding school meals I have never had free school meals as my local council does not offer them in my area! and ours are £1.95 per meal, giving my kids a healthy packed lunch does not work out much cheaper than that to be honest, maybe I'm too nice and I should give mine what yours had... but then I guess me and the kids have had it easy up to now according to you...

Oh, and my circumstances were different when I had my babies, I had a husband then and wasn't counting on him leaving me in the sh*t

Totally agree, on most points.

I still will suggest that perhaps you aren't looking at your ex's case objectively (although I thoroughly understand why you might not).

tizzy333

I still will suggest that perhaps you aren't looking at your ex's case objectively (although I thoroughly understand why you might not).

lol. I can totally understand how it might look like that but believe me if you knew all the facts you might well change your opinion. but it is way too long a story and not appropriate for this thread.

Deepmistrust

tizzy333 wrote: »

lol. I can totally understand how it might look like that but believe me if you knew all the facts you might well change your opinion. but it is way too long a story and not appropriate for this thread.

I agree fully, again

krisskross

tizzy333 wrote: »

krisskross-
regarding school meals I have never had free school meals as my local council does not offer them in my area! and ours are £1.95 per meal, giving my kids a healthy packed lunch does not work out much cheaper than that to be honest, maybe I'm too nice and I should give mine what yours had... but then I guess me and the kids have had it easy up to now according to you...

What on earth is not good enough about a sandwich and a piece of fruit for a child's lunch? Mine all had breakfast before leaving for the walk to school and a cooked meal in the evening. Never any crisps or fizzy drinks except at Christmas and on birthdays. Sweets (which included KitKat etc) were a once a week treat on Dad's payday. Money was extremely tight in our house but the children always got fed properly. Perfectly adequate diet and obese children were almost unheard of.