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application form requesting childcare providers details? surely not right?
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pixelation wrote: »It is illegal - against sex discrimination laws. End of..
How is it against any sex discrimination laws?
Has the OP stated that they have different application forms for applicants of different sexes? I didn't read that bit of their post - perhaps you can point it out for us?"One day I realised that when you are lying in your grave, it's no good saying, "I was too shy, too frightened."
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How is it against any sex discrimination laws?
Has the OP stated that they have different application forms for applicants of different sexes? I didn't read that bit of their post - perhaps you can point it out for us?
The company needs to protect itself. If it asks this question, it is likely to be because they would not offer the position to a person with childcare responsibility (whe else ask?). If a woman with children was refused the job, and could show a man had been appointed, the company would be on very dodgy ground at a tribunal where she could cite sex discrimination. It is very poor business practice, and any large company should know better.0 -
Surely its only sex discrimination if they only ask female applicants ? As I understand it, if the question is posed to both sexes then its not illegal.
It depends on the question...this is a fantastic way of filtering out anyone with kids and childcare arrangements - mainly women.0 -
It is illegal, they dont need to give out different forms to males and females for it to be discrimination!! The fact that they are asking about childcare arrangements is illegal discrimination because it disproportionately affects females. You might not like it but it is the law and absolutely illegal.0
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Yep agree with this. A few years ago I was asked at interview how reliable my MIL was??!! As it had come up during the interview I had a nursery school age child and that my MIL would be my childcare provider (and also how I'd managed to afford to pay for private nursery in order for me to attend college??). This was for a large charity. I complained to their HO and got an apology and an assurance that in future their staff would not be allowed to interview until they ahd received appropriate training.They are not allowed to discriminate on grounds of sex, pregnancy and maternity, which is why questions surrounding children or lack of them are not allowed. By putting it as a question on the application form all applicants are asked the same question but they get to find out whether the interviewee has children. And by demanding to know that there is childcare in place in order to consider you for the job the interviewer has in fact implied that the job might not be offered if you don't already have appropriate childcare in place.
Naughty!
By the way - what difference does it make having contact details of approved childcare? What they going to do, ring the CM up and say "mrs Brians daughter says she can't work until 8pm cos you won't have her kids and is that true and if it is we're telling you you've got to?" What would they do if you put a less flexible childcare provider int he box such as a private nursery or after school club who shut at a set time? Tell them they've got to remain open? :huh:
ETA _Ok read your other thread and found out more detail, can't believe they are going to ring someone and like I said don't they progress an interview if you are using somewhere which closes it's doors at 6pm?? I think I'd be tempted to write 'school age' against the ages of the kids (if that's what they are) and N/A to the childcare details like someone else suggested. How much do you need this job though?0 -
Surely its only sex discrimination if they only ask female applicants ? As I understand it, if the question is posed to both sexes then its not illegal.How is it against any sex discrimination laws?
Has the OP stated that they have different application forms for applicants of different sexes? I didn't read that bit of their post - perhaps you can point it out for us?
Applying business practices equally across the board that result in a certain group/type of employee is disadvantaged is known as indirect discrimination.
Women are more likely to be responsible for childcare than men are. Therefore asking specific questions or placing restrictions on employing people based on childcare is likely to affect women more than men.
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what Chloe99 said
The appropriate question would be for example "It is a requirement of the job that you be available to work until 10pm on short notice from time to time. Historically this has been no more thwn once a fortnight but we cqnnot guarantee it will not be more often. Are you able to meet that requirement?"
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milliebear00001 wrote: »The company needs to protect itself. If it asks this question, it is likely to be because they would not offer the position to a person with childcare responsibility (whe else ask?). If a woman with children was refused the job, and could show a man had been appointed, the company would be on very dodgy ground at a tribunal where she could cite sex discrimination. It is very poor business practice, and any large company should know better.
There is no evidence of this. That is purely an inference that you are making based on your discrimitory prejudgements on reading the opening post. Be careful before you start shouting "discrimination" from the rooftops. If a company has a position that demands flexible working practice then it needs to ensure that its employees are prepared for this at appointment level for those whom they have parental responsibility for. There is no evidence that this company would ever employ a male member of staff over a female one.
Maybe they could have worded it differently and didn't exactly need the OP's inside leg measurement, but going around pointing the finger of discrimination against all and sundry is really a little OTT.
We're be here next:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/7079231/Advert-for-reliable-workers-banned-as-discrimination-by-Jobcentre-Plus.html"One day I realised that when you are lying in your grave, it's no good saying, "I was too shy, too frightened."
Because by then you've blown your chances. That's it."0 -
A few years back I went for a job interview at an insurance company, part time (which would usually attract people with kids). At the time my Mom was looking after kids while I went to work.
I got asked at the interview, who looks after the kids, what would happen if your mother was ill, would you be able to get someone else to look after them and come into work?
After the interview I told them they had no right to ask me questions like that and they could stick the job up their chocolate whizzway.Striving to clear the mortgage before it finishes in Dec 2028 - amount currently owed - £19,575.020 -
I think the questions are fair, My wife actively volunteers her child free status to prospective employers and in her line of work she needs to be flexible with her time.
Recently my wife has been:
At the office past midnight
Had 24hrs notice for a 3 day trip to NY
Been in the office regularly to 7-8pm
And last week 3 hours notice for a 2 day trip to Amsterdam
How much harder would that be for a parent to accomplish the same?0
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