Holiday Pay

1985dj

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

http://www.ppl-job.com/index.php?area=aboutus#Gangmasters


Are these them?

Yes thats them.

It also says this:

For Candidates
Proactive Personnel works with a wide array of clients within a variety of markets, providing you with career opportunities in permanent and contract positions. You will be provided with clear and honest information about opportunities. In addition, you will receive complimentary career advice, CV preparation and interview techniques. We welcome the opportunity to assist in your career development and will provide:
Skills evaluation and testing
CV preparation
Interview preparation and coaching (including a pre-interview pack)
Interview feedback
Remuneration and contractual guidance
Temporary workers handbook provided upon registration
We aim to find the right job for you. To arrange an interview with one of our specialist consultants please contact your nearest branch or alternatively create an online account and register your details.
We pride ourselves on providing a high level of service to all of our customers. We do this by offering value added services above and beyond that exceeds expectations.

Claire says shes not received any of that! Clear and honest? Ha!!

1984ReturnsForReal_2

1985dj wrote: »

Yes thats them.

It also says this:

Claire says shes not received any of that! Clear and honest? Ha!!

Well.

You need to be careful how you play it because if you get it wrong she may well end up with no job.

Legally they cant advertise a job like that without pay the full rate.

liney

They are also REC Members. I believe to comply with REC regs they should have provided her with a letter when she started the assignment stating her pay, hours etc.

1984ReturnsForReal_2

liney wrote: »

They are also REC Members. I believe to comply with REC regs they should have provided her with a letter when she started the assignment stating her pay, hours etc.

REC are a bag of balls...............

Waste of space.....

Being a member means nothing other than you have sat an exam that a monkey could pass...

& the idiots wear it like a badge of honour... :rotfl:

SarEl

I regret to say that I do not read that as being at all that clear. I think you are reading what you want it to say - not what it says. It does not stipulate the terms of the employment at all. You really need to go back to the contract signed with the agency to determine whether she is an employee or not. As I said previously, I am afraid that I have come across this type of arrangement far too often, and I am very sorry to say that it is legal - it shouldn't be but it is.

1984ReturnsForReal_2

SarEl wrote: »

I regret to say that I do not read that as being at all that clear. I think you are reading what you want it to say - not what it says. It does not stipulate the terms of the employment at all. You really need to go back to the contract signed with the agency to determine whether she is an employee or not. As I said previously, I am afraid that I have come across this type of arrangement far too often, and I am very sorry to say that it is legal - it shouldn't be but it is.

Sorry.

The law is very clear on adverts & actual pay & holiday pay.

Hence a major agency having to pay out hundreds of thousands of pounds some years back as a result of "thinking" they were acting legally in the way they paid & advertised rates.

SarEl

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

Sorry.

The law is very clear on adverts & actual pay & holiday pay.

Hence a major agency having to pay out hundreds of thousands of pounds some years back as a result of "thinking" they were acting legally in the way they paid & advertised rates.

I think you are missing the point. This is not, it would appear, an "agency" which employs people - they are contracting for service with self-employed people. I am not saying this is "right" - just that it is the case. Somewhere in all the paperwork that the OP has signed will be an agreement that she is self-employed and a sign up to the umbrella company. She probably didn't read all the paperwork closely - many people don't, they just sign. Self-employed people are not employees and therefore do not have the same protections. All of this should have been made clear to her in a tranparent way - it obviously wasn't. But you cannot become a member of an "umbrella company" without signing up - so somewhere she has done this, probably without realising it.

Pretty disgusting practice, but far from unusual now I am afraid.

David_Brent

SarEl wrote: »

I think you are missing the point. This is not, it would appear, an "agency" which employs people - they are contracting for service with self-employed people. I am not saying this is "right" - just that it is the case. Somewhere in all the paperwork that the OP has signed will be an agreement that she is self-employed and a sign up to the umbrella company. She probably didn't read all the paperwork closely - many people don't, they just sign. Self-employed people are not employees and therefore do not have the same protections. All of this should have been made clear to her in a tranparent way - it obviously wasn't. But you cannot become a member of an "umbrella company" without signing up - so somewhere she has done this, probably without realising it.

Pretty disgusting practice, but far from unusual now I am afraid.

I agree she probably got load of forms (which you do when starting a new role) and signed up somewhere along the line?

Do you have a copy of all your signed contracts (this is what counts the most unfortuantely - they can not mention the umbrella at all and just get your signature then they are covered).

It is unfair of them tricking people like that. I'm sure there is some regulatory organisation that deals employment agencies that this could be reported to? Maybe contact the Office of fair trading?

1984ReturnsForReal_2

SarEl wrote: »

I think you are missing the point. This is not, it would appear, an "agency" which employs people - they are contracting for service with self-employed people. I am not saying this is "right" - just that it is the case. Somewhere in all the paperwork that the OP has signed will be an agreement that she is self-employed and a sign up to the umbrella company. She probably didn't read all the paperwork closely - many people don't, they just sign. Self-employed people are not employees and therefore do not have the same protections. All of this should have been made clear to her in a tranparent way - it obviously wasn't. But you cannot become a member of an "umbrella company" without signing up - so somewhere she has done this, probably without realising it.

Pretty disgusting practice, but far from unusual now I am afraid.

No.

I am not missing the point.

It is illegal to advertise a position for a pay rate that includes holiday pay without making it clear.


Whatever happens after that is irrelevant. Especially for an agency acting for a client that is in fact itself.

liney

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

REC are a bag of balls...............

Waste of space.....

Being a member means nothing other than you have sat an exam that a monkey could pass...

& the idiots wear it like a badge of honour... :rotfl:

A company membership isn't an exam. The company must agreed to comply with their guidelines and pay a membership fee.

Some Clients will not do business with an agency who is not regulated, and it certainly doesn't look good to be investigated by your governing body.