Over qualified - it does exist!

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Googlewhacker wrote: »

I know you are pretty mad but that above statement is ridiculous and you know it. Employers choose on a mix of things, not just personality, not just the skill set etc

Actually I think it's YOU that's wrong.
I've worked for some big big national companies and it is not at all uncommon for the manager doing the recruiting to refer positively to how much fun someone is likely to be.
No wonder this country is in a mess.

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Any wrote: »

It is complete cra* what you are talking about.

Worse candidate in your eyes is candidate with no degree for example - even if it is purely admin job. Typing skills sufice in such a job and more qualified person will very understandably not stay for long.

The selection process looks at all aspects and matches the most suitable person. Not THE most qualified, just the most qualified for THE job and then how they fit the team.

My ex boss has in past lost 4 people because of 1 person who didn't fit in for example. My current boss has spent twice last year 7.5k on agency finding fee for 2 people who stayed 6 mths and then f***ed off.

These are the reasons why employers are so carefull. Not your rubbish about "going down the pub with me".

This seems to highlight a poor selection process and that maybe the criteria currently in use are in fact WRONG!

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Googlewhacker wrote: »

I can now see why you didn't get employed if you are not going to understand what I am saying.

Wonder if it might be YOU that is not explaining clearly?

Person_one

ariarnia wrote: »

That's a very fallacious argument - in the most Aristotelian sense I can’t know anything. I don't know the sun's going to come up again tomorrow - I have a reasonable reason to believe I can trust my assumption and act accordingly though.

You're acting like it's your right to have this job - you have no right to be hired - the manager can hire who he wants the same as a shopkeeper can serve who he wants. As long as it's not one of the big discriminations he doesn’t have to disclose his reasons to you and you need him more than he needs you.

I think you're mistaking me for the OP, I'm not her.

I certainly don't think I have a right to any job at all, which is why I volunteer, train, tailor my applications and do everything I can to make myself the most attractive candidate.

I don't think its asking too much for an employer to take me at my word that if I am applying for the job, and I tell them why I want it, they at least take me at my word on that. If they don't choose me for whatever other reason obviously that's fine but if they think I'd be able to do the job well but don't believe me that I will stay, then we both lose out don't we?

Heretolearn has set my mind at ease a little on this point!

lucylucky

flossy_splodge wrote: »

Wonder if it might be YOU that is not explaining clearly?

I doubt that as I understood Googlewhacker's post.

lucylucky

flossy_splodge wrote: »

Actually I think it's YOU that's wrong.
I've worked for some big big national companies and it is not at all uncommon for the manager doing the recruiting to refer positively to how much fun someone is likely to be.
No wonder this country is in a mess.

Are you suggesting that the only reason that some managers in "big big national companies" only select applicants because they are fun? No other reason?

"No wonder this country is in a mess" - are you starting a new topic here as that comment appears to have little to do with what has been discussed before?

lucylucky

flossy_splodge wrote: »

This observation totally ignores that such a call is a SUBJECTIVE judgement.

You do seem to like words in CAPITALS don't you.;)

All recruitment contains an element of subjectivity.
Not a problem as far as I can tell.

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woody01 wrote: »

There is FAR more to it than that, and unless you realise this pretty quickly, the dole is where you will stay.

Your attitude stinks tbh, and any good interviewer would pick up on this. <--why you are going nowhere fast.

I think that is quite unnecessary.
I don't think their attitude stinks, I think it suggests utter frustration and hurt that their abilities don't seem to be being recognised.
I am sure the OP knows deep down that they are far from alone in this situation but quite frankly that doesn't help if you have bills to pay.
A bit more compassion on here might help.
It's so easy to be judgemental and so hard to try to put yourself in another's shoes and be sympathetic.
I still do not succeed at doing this all the time but I know what it feels like when others are unkind to me so I try and be a bit supportive.
None of us knows the full story in a poster's life, it is soul destroying to feel you don't get a job because you are over qualified, someone doesn't like the cut of your jib, the shape or size you are or any other such factor.
I've been there many times and it hurts.
Good luck to those struggling to get work, don't give up and try not to become negative.:o

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AlwaysWorking wrote: »

One agency agreed to put me forward for a role and sent me my cv to update...only for me to find that they had removed my degree and changed all of my job titles. I didn't say anything as I understand they were trying to help, but surely if the firm had gone on to hire me and I mentioned my previous job they would feel they had been mislead?

This is exactly what happened to me.
I got every job I was sent for (I was temping), some were proper temp jobs just for a day as someone was off sick and others were for longer.
In each case the agency 'doctored' my CV BIG TIME to get me there and as I had bills to pay I then kept myself there by my endeavours (one job was meant to be for a month and I was still there 7 months later until their market hadf a downturn and all temps were finished).
It was depressing and demotivating to have to pretend to be less able than I really was in order to keep the job.
There were many many many stupid people making poor decisions but in senior jobs to me, I could have done their jobs standing on my head but I played the game until my current role came up. I have now been in post for 10 months, am learning a new trade which will allow me to become self employed if I wish so I can then avoid working for numptys.
Incidentally my new employers know all about my thought process and are happy with it as i can still do their work if I go self employed.

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lucylucky wrote: »

Are you suggesting that the only reason that some managers in "big big national companies" only select applicants because they are fun? No other reason?

"No wonder this country is in a mess" - are you starting a new topic here as that comment appears to have little to do with what has been discussed before?

No, I do however believe that some people in some big companies....

My last comment was a throwaway comment if that's alright with you?:rotfl: