Over qualified - it does exist!

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flossy_splodge wrote: »

If that's how often a company is having to recruit perhaps they have in fact got it all wrong and shouldn't imagine they're so bloody clever they can second guess an applicants intention to stay.

You would be correct but most hire on the basis that they won't need to be going through the procedure anytime soon, however it still negates the fact that hiring is not just on a persons education or skill level but also how they fair at interview, what their hobbies are (there is alot into this, team player, loner etc)

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flossy_splodge wrote: »

Wonder if it might be YOU that is not explaining clearly?

No i explained it quite clearly and so much so that you have tried to turn it around on me. The OP knows where I am coming from but is obviously being stubborn and refusing to admit this.

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flossy_splodge wrote: »

I think that is quite unnecessary.
I don't think their attitude stinks, I think it suggests utter frustration and hurt that their abilities don't seem to be being recognised.
I am sure the OP knows deep down that they are far from alone in this situation but quite frankly that doesn't help if you have bills to pay.
A bit more compassion on here might help.
It's so easy to be judgemental and so hard to try to put yourself in another's shoes and be sympathetic.
I still do not succeed at doing this all the time but I know what it feels like when others are unkind to me so I try and be a bit supportive.
None of us knows the full story in a poster's life, it is soul destroying to feel you don't get a job because you are over qualified, someone doesn't like the cut of your jib, the shape or size you are or any other such factor.
I've been there many times and it hurts.
Good luck to those struggling to get work, don't give up and try not to become negative.:o

Again, MOST employers will not hire purely on education or skill level but also a mixture of how they believe they will react to other staff, customers, suppliers etc

I do feel for people who are struggling to get a job but on the same hand I feel that I would be doing them a diservice if I was going to agree with what they say when clearly I do not.

Katie-Kat-Kins

Amber I think I know the type of job you might be after from the letters after your name, what part of the country are you looking in? Some firms are more ummmmm understanding of your sort of situation.

heretolearn_2

'The amount of graduates i have interviewed and turned away you wouldn't believe.
For some reason, they think that a 2 bit degree, from a very average university, entitles them to 20-40% higher pay than the next man, when in reality, a chimp with a low IQ could get a 2-1.' ach, don't even get me on the sense of entitlement people!

Look, trying to find work stinks. But don't forget that all of us who are involved in recruiting, had to get our jobs! Everyone I know who deals with HR sympathises a lot. It may not seem that way from the other side, but we do. And I can't tell you what agonies it is to pick that one person.

But look on the bright side - sometimes the subjectiveness that is an inevitable part of recruitment will work in your favour, unless you are an unpleasant person, or smell really bad, or something.

Good luck to all jobseekers :-)

teabelly

Not getting a job because the interviewer thinks you won't fit in is bad. Getting a job and finding out you don't and having to work with them is far worse! Working with people you have nothing in common with can be grim unless there are other aspects of the job to compensate. You have to be with these people 30-40 hours a week so it is much better to find ones you actually have something to talk about with. If you have unusual hobbies I'd be finding people on those hobby related forums or via linked in with similar interests and find out if they want what you do.

eamon

I'm back, I still agree with Amber1979 and stand by all of my previous comment to this thread. Many employers & recruiters really need to pull their collective socks up on this one. Every school, college and university in the country has been encouraged to churn out qualified people. Even when we are finished in formal education the state actively encourages us to better ourselves. Of course there is the usual snide comments such has "education has been dumbed down". Its as if some employers & recruiters are trying to have their cake and eat it as well.
If a job is advertised then it should specify what qualifications, experience (if any) are/is required, essential etc. By not doing this of course they run the risk of being swamped with applications many which will not under close examination be what the recruiter wants. This is not the fault of the job seeker.

I'm not expecting the smallest employer to have the abilty of a large organisation (private or public) and have detailed job packs and detailed application forms to complete and send out. But to engage their brains and think a little about the impact in placing a poor job advert.

For what its worth I have more qualifications and experience than my line manager. I could do her job equally as good. But I don't want that level of responsibilty and the corresonding hassle & stress. There are tens of thousands of people out just like me. Quite content to go to work, perform to the best of their ability, be part of the team, go home, enjoy their private life and do it all again the next day. Not everybody is career driven and exhibiting the characteristics of a butterfly!

Eamon

woody01

flossy_splodge wrote: »

I think that is quite unnecessary.
I don't think their attitude stinks, I think it suggests utter frustration and hurt that their abilities don't seem to be being recognised.
I am sure the OP knows deep down that they are far from alone in this situation but quite frankly that doesn't help if you have bills to pay.
A bit more compassion on here might help.
It's so easy to be judgemental and so hard to try to put yourself in another's shoes and be sympathetic.
I still do not succeed at doing this all the time but I know what it feels like when others are unkind to me so I try and be a bit supportive.
None of us knows the full story in a poster's life, it is soul destroying to feel you don't get a job because you are over qualified, someone doesn't like the cut of your jib, the shape or size you are or any other such factor.
I've been there many times and it hurts.
Good luck to those struggling to get work, don't give up and try not to become negative.:o

It is soul destroying yes.
But the OP also needs to wake up to the fact that the whole world isn't against them.

To blame everyone else except themselves is a BIG mistake, when maybe a change in attitude would be all that it would take.

Not getting a job because the interviewer thinks you won't fit in is bad

Of course it isn't!
To keep the harmony within the workplace is a MASSIVE thing when you work closely with alot of people.

When i recruit i look for someone that:
- Will be able to do the job, with as little interference from me as possible
AND
- Someone that i think will gel well with most other people.

One without the other is both pointless and useless. It MUST be both....or as close as possible to it.

(and yes i am an employer (run it...not own it unfortunately) in a multi-million ££ global business structure.......i am pretty sure i get it right with using the formula above)

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eamon wrote: »

I'm back, I still agree with Amber1979 and stand by all of my previous comment to this thread. Many employers & recruiters really need to pull their collective socks up on this one. Every school, college and university in the country has been encouraged to churn out qualified people. Even when we are finished in formal education the state actively encourages us to better ourselves. Of course there is the usual snide comments such has "education has been dumbed down". Its as if some employers & recruiters are trying to have their cake and eat it as well.
If a job is advertised then it should specify what qualifications, experience (if any) are/is required, essential etc. You can be as specific as you want but at the end of the day anyman and his dog will apply without reading the job description By not doing this of course they run the risk of being swamped with applications many which will not under close examination be what the recruiter wants. This is not the fault of the job seeker. This is just not true, in the current climate anyone will apply for any job in the hope of getting it or being told to by the job centre.

I'm not expecting the smallest employer to have the abilty of a large organisation (private or public) and have detailed job packs and detailed application forms to complete and send out. But to engage their brains and think a little about the impact in placing a poor job advert. Provide an example of one for us then and see whether you can get everything right, without discriminating, without missing a bit of it.

For what its worth I have more qualifications and experience than my line manager. I could do her job equally as good. But I don't want that level of responsibilty and the corresonding hassle & stress. There are tens of thousands of people out just like me. Quite content to go to work, perform to the best of their ability, be part of the team, go home, enjoy their private life and do it all again the next day. Not everybody is career driven and exhibiting the characteristics of a butterfly!

Eamon

Employing someone is more than just being the best educated or most qualified, as I have said before personality, staff cohsiveness etc all comes into play....that is all I am saying

lucylucky

flossy_splodge wrote: »

No, I do however believe that some people in some big companies....

My last comment was a throwaway comment if that's alright with you?:rotfl:

So some managers in some companies select people only on the basis that they might be fun.

Feel free to name those companies.