Cameron: "Years of Pain Ahead"

Wheezy_2

Spartacus_Mills wrote: »

Yes really, there is no contradiction here. Just classic good cop bad cop. Saying the same thing in a different manner while people run around like headless chickens looking for division in the coalition.

Oh well, if you say so. As our local Libdem party activist, I don't expect anything else than you toeing the party line.
Time will tell.

Blacklight

angrypirate wrote: »

From http://www.number10.gov.uk/news/speeches-and-transcripts/2010/06/prime-ministers-speech-on-the-economy-51435

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Looks like this may disappoint some of our bulls

I think if property prices did fall it would be seen a major failure of the government in most peoples* eyes.



*those in real life, going about their real life business not reading internet arguments all day.

StevieJ

There are some who say that our massive deficit is just because we’ve been in a recession, and that when growth comes back everything will be OK.
But there’s a flaw in this argument. Rather a major flaw, in fact. We had a significant deficit problem way before the recession. In fact, much of the deficit is structural.
A problem built up before the recession, caused by government spending and planning to spend more than we could afford. It had nothing to do with the recession. And so growth will not sort it out.

There is a flaw in Mr C's argument a rather major flaw, according to these figures UK debt % of GDP lies second best in this list but the current deficit we are top which suggests a sizeable proportion of the deficit has been incurred fighting the recession (not built up before) relative to the other countries in the table, I could have misinterpreted though,

Source: Economist 2010.

StevieJ

How can you tell when a politician is telling lies?

abaxas

StevieJ wrote: »

How can you tell when a politician is telling lies?

I check his/her pulse. If there is one, the politician is telling lies.

StevieJ

abaxas wrote: »

I check his/her pulse. If there is one, the politician is telling lies.

Any more, my favourite is they open their mouth

Wheezy_2

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2010/06/cuts-spending-thatcher-clegg

I don't think anyone disputes cuts are needed.
Just be honest about it, Clegg.

Old_Slaphead

StevieJ wrote: »

There is a flaw in Mr C's argument a rather major flaw, according to these figures UK debt % of GDP lies second best in this list but the current deficit we are top which suggests a sizeable proportion of the deficit has been incurred fighting the recession (not built up before) relative to the other countries in the table, I could have misinterpreted though,

Source: Economist 2010.

Presumably 'fighting the recession' is a euphemism for ignoring all the warning signs and firehosing money on wasteful and inefficient projects in the hope of bribing the electorate into another 5 years of profligacy.

StevieJ

Wheezy wrote: »

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2010/06/cuts-spending-thatcher-clegg

I don't think anyone disputes cuts are needed.
Just be honest about it, Clegg.

The problem is for each pound they cut public services the corresponding reduction in deficit will be measured in pennies, cancellation charges, redundancy,welfare payments etc. Thatcher also had those privatisation receipts and dramatically increasing oil revenue.

StevieJ

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

Presumably 'fighting the recession' is a euphemism for ignoring all the warning signs and firehosing money on wasteful and inefficient projects in the hope of bribing the electorate into another 5 years of profligacy.

If that is way you see it, looks like the Yanks were up to the same trick, and the Germans have got a higher deficit and they didn't do any of that, well up to a couple of months ago anyway :eek: