ESA appeal query

NASA_2

By the time the OP's appeal is heard the regulations will have been changed again - the disallowance will be more than six months ago - and will be able to claim again as if they hadnt been disallowed. The system is so loose that it takes little skill to work around it.

I see no reason to get annoyed or perturbed by it from a claimant point of view.

AsknAnswer2

The percentage of people scamming the benefits system is relitively low and is much publicised as an excuse to treat people this way.

What's the percentage? Where is the source of this information?

Tibbs,The_Freebie_Hunter

NASA wrote: »

The stats are out there. 60% are upheld in the Departments favour.

I cant be bothered looking for the official stats but you can look if you want.

dmg24 wrote: »

NASA is correct, nationally the majority of appeals do fail. The information is available on the DWP website if you wish to verify it.

I would also suggest that, if you ask someone to back up their statement, perhaps you should do the same?

Since NASA can't be bothered looking for the official stats, I take it you refer to this:

http://research.dwp.gov.uk/asd/workingage/esa_wca/esa_wca_27042010.pdf

Did you miss this relevant part?

'However, due to the time it takes for appeals to be submitted to
Tribunals Service and heard, we still expect there are more appeals that have not yet been heard for these early cohorts of ESA claims. These figures should continue to be treated as emerging findings and not final at this stage.'

Yet you choose to report the figures as being final.

DMG, I would suggest to you that before you back up someone else's statement that you ensure their findings are wholly accurate beforehand, and not just based on emerging findings, which are subject to change.

NASA_2

I didnt make any mention of the figures being 'final' or otherwise.

The whole nature of statistics, in this area, are that they will constantly change. The figures we have to go on are those that are published. I correctly quoted the departments success rate. If you are going to argue then do it over something worth arguing about rather than that !!!!.

dmg24

Tibbs,The_Freebie_Hunter wrote: »

Since NASA can't be bothered looking for the official stats, I take it you refer to this:

http://research.dwp.gov.uk/asd/workingage/esa_wca/esa_wca_27042010.pdf

Did you miss this relevant part?

'However, due to the time it takes for appeals to be submitted to
Tribunals Service and heard, we still expect there are more appeals that have not yet been heard for these early cohorts of ESA claims. These figures should continue to be treated as emerging findings and not final at this stage.'

Yet you choose to report the figures as being final.

DMG, I would suggest to you that before you back up someone else's statement that you ensure their findings are wholly accurate beforehand, and not just based on emerging findings, which are subject to change.

You will never receive final figures for a benefit that is ongoing. Stats are only ever going to represent a situation at a given point in time, as the given information does.

Back to the drawing board methinks Tibbs!

Tibbs,The_Freebie_Hunter

These figures should continue to be treated as emerging findings and not final at this stage.

You are quoting emerging findings, which are incomplete. They will eventually be able to finalise for that specific period in time, just not yet.

dmg24

Tibbs,The_Freebie_Hunter wrote: »

These figures should continue to be treated as emerging findings and not final at this stage.

You are quoting emerging findings, which are incomplete. They will eventually be able to finalise for that specific period in time, just not yet.

Selective quoting only highlights the fact that you do not understand the information you are quoting. You need to read the document (or even the parts you are drawing your quotes from) as a whole.

Tibbs,The_Freebie_Hunter

dmg24 wrote: »

Selective quoting only highlights the fact that you do not understand the information you are quoting. You need to read the document (or even the parts you are drawing your quotes from) as a whole.

No doubt, you'll have to get the last word from your ivory tower. Have multiple posts on me.

Please re-read what you are saying, and apply it to yourself. This is what I have been saying you need to do. You are the one who is selectively quoting without understanding or painting the whole picture.

caela_2

AsknAnswer2 wrote: »

What's the percentage? Where is the source of this information?

http://www.community-links.org/linksuk/?p=37

I would recommend everyone to read the above article actually, I'm having a look myself and finding it quite interesting.