iPhone '4' thread

poppy10_2

http://www.slate.com/id/2260619/pagenum/all/#p2

Oscar_The_Grouch

ali137 wrote: »

What a prat Steve Jobs is.:mad:

The product should be recalled and fixed.

I think they knew they had a problem when they launced the phone with new bumber cases which apprently makes the phone look cool.

The media are very powerful, they can change poples views instantly.

"Launced"? "Poples"? "The media are powerful"? Ali, where did you go to school?

Oscar_The_Grouch

bubblesmoney wrote: »

http://i.engadget.com/2010/07/17/rim-co-ceos-pull-no-punches-responding-to-apples-antenna-statem/

http://i.engadget.com/2010/07/16/nokia-we-prioritize-antenna-performance-over-physical-design-i/

They seem to say that what ever jobs says in his conference their phones don't need bumpers for a design flaw.

I do love the RIM statement; At no point does it say that the evidence provided by Apple has been faked.

poppy10_2

Oscar_The_Grouch wrote: »

I do love the RIM statement; At no point does it say that the evidence provided by Apple has been faked.

"Apple's claims about RIM products appear to be deliberate attempts to distort the public's understanding"
Seems clear-cut enough to me.

Apple is deliberately dissembling and misleading the public by trying to conflate two issues:

• (One): All phones will lose some amount of reception when the antennae is blocked by an external structure, such as a hand. This is the same for all manufacturers, and is not solvable (unless people develop limbs that allow free passage of RF)

• (Two): The iPhone 4 has an additional problem in that it has an external, uncoated antenna, with the result that if you touch it in a way that connects the two halves, it detunes and loses almost all reception. This problem is exclusive to iPhone 4, and is the reason that Apple are giving away free cases (cases would not solve problem one, if anything they would make it worse).It is a serious design flaw that has not affected other manufacturers, or indeed previous iPhones. RIM, Nokia and HTC have all stated that they have developed prototypes with external antennae and rejected them because of precisely this problem.

purple12

I was really wavering between getting an iPhone or not. I love my ipod touch and thought it would be really handy to have an 'all-in-one' device. I have a lot of apps already so it would be a kind of economy in that I wouldn't need to buy them again.

I was waiting for the announcement but it's left me a little cold and has convinced me to keep my primary entertainment device (ipod) separate from my phone and get a phone that is primarily a phone.

I'm a little disappointed but I expect next years' iphone 5 to deal with the issues at hand and I'm not really willing to hook myself up for a 2 year contract in the meantime.

Oscar_The_Grouch

poppy10 wrote: »

"Apple's claims about RIM products appear to be deliberate attempts to distort the public's understanding"
Seems clear-cut enough to me.

Apple is deliberately dissembling and misleading the public by trying to conflate two issues:

• (One): All phones will lose some amount of reception when the antennae is blocked by an external structure, such as a hand. This is the same for all manufacturers, and is not solvable (unless people develop limbs that allow free passage of RF)

• (Two): The iPhone 4 has an additional problem in that it has an external, uncoated antenna, with the result that if you touch it in a way that connects the two halves, it detunes and loses almost all reception. This problem is exclusive to iPhone 4, and is the reason that Apple are giving away free cases (cases would not solve problem one, if anything they would make it worse).It is a serious design flaw that has not affected other manufacturers, or indeed previous iPhones. RIM, Nokia and HTC have all stated that they have developed prototypes with external antennae and rejected them because of precisely this problem.

Errr.... I suggest you read it again and pay attention to what I wrote too. The statement says that the exclusive problem is that Apple's external antenna can be touched in a way that connects the two halves; it does not say that the evidence provided by Apple of the Blackberry losing signal was in any way incorrect.

It's a carefully worded statement that appears to deny they have a weak point and "death grip" issue too, when all it acually says is "our antenna is in the case of the phone and Apple have theirs on the outside".

Oscar_The_Grouch

"If you don't want an iPhone 4; don't buy it." CLICKY

I would also like to say that I can replicate the "Death Grip" on my XDA.

cardtrick

WaterBottle wrote: »

I purchased my iPhone from Orange on release day and have been having these signal issues ever since (I haven't taken it back yet as I was waiting to see if Apple released a fix).

Would I be able to return the phone and cancel the contract since I feel there is a fault which is causing the signal to drop?

I just phoned Orange

Orange .... "you can't return the iphone unless it's less than 7 days old or faulty"

Me....Well i think it's faulty due to the antena

Orange.. They all do this so it's not a fault......

Me ... So if i bought a car and the brakes fail, it's ok because all the cars made dont have brakes......

Orange .... Brrrrrrrrrrr

Me .... Hello..... Hello.....

Oscartheposcar

purple12 wrote: »

I was really wavering between getting an iPhone or not. I love my ipod touch and thought it would be really handy to have an 'all-in-one' device. I have a lot of apps already so it would be a kind of economy in that I wouldn't need to buy them again.

I was waiting for the announcement but it's left me a little cold and has convinced me to keep my primary entertainment device (ipod) separate from my phone and get a phone that is primarily a phone.

I'm a little disappointed but I expect next years' iphone 5 to deal with the issues at hand and I'm not really willing to hook myself up for a 2 year contract in the meantime.

I can see where you're coming from, but for me the all-in-one convenience, the improved cameras and the new high-resolution display are worth it. For what it's worth, I just haven't had any dropped calls or anything, and data is fine-I actually get a 3G signal in more places than I did with my previous 3G iPhone, so I'm inclined to believe Apple that the new design actually does hang onto a signal better than the old one, providing you're not attenuating the signal. The 3G upload speed on the iPhone 4 is miles faster than the older iPhones too (and faster than my home broadband too).
Bottom line - if the antenna problem was actually affecting my use of the phone I would be annoyed and would be returning it. Because it isn't, I'm keeping the phone (and I'm not in a particularly strong signal area either).

By the way, there'll more than likely be a new iPod touch with many of the same features as the iPhone 4, so if you like the look of those, ou could still keep your phone separate from your iPod...

geordieracer82

I have been having great fun by doing the same on my HTC Hero, seems like a massively overblown non-issue.