11 Break between shifts.

C_Mababejive

Emmzi wrote: »

evidence please?

this is not my experience.

Oh theres plenty...

NHS
Road haulage
Sweatshops
Those who use and abuse the derogations in the regs to continually drive their employees to work more hours
Those who work on standby/callout rotas whos standby hours are not counted as working hours

etc

Hammyman

C_Mababejive wrote: »

Oh theres plenty...

Road haulage

Road Haulage has a completely different set of rules. They have the Mobile Workers version. Periods of Availability do not count towards the working week, neither do rest breaks and the minimum break after 6hrs working is 30mins not 20. You also cannot opt out of it and the only opt-out there is is to the 10hr maximum working day for night workers.

dickydonkin

Hammyman wrote: »

Road Haulage has a completely different set of rules. They have the Mobile Workers version. Periods of Availability do not count towards the working week, neither do rest breaks and the minimum break after 6hrs working is 30mins not 20. You also cannot opt out of it and the only opt-out there is is to the 10hr maximum working day for night workers.

A Driver under European rules (which the majority of UK truck drivers use) requires a forty five minute break after four and a half hours driving and they can legally work a fifteen hour day.

And we criticise the so called sweat shops!

dmg24

getmore4less wrote: »

NHS a lot of nurses don't get their breaks.

I assume you are referring to personal experience, and not the NHS as a whole?

NHS Trusts are very up on their HR policies, and if such a requirement is being breached, an individual (or their union) should make a complaint to ensure the breach does not happen again in the future.

nogginthenog

Millwright94 wrote: »

Is the opt out form relevant to the 11 hour break or just the 48 hour maximum working week?

AVERAGE 48 hour maximum working week.

nogginthenog

Your not supposed to go from a night shift to a early shift in the UK.
IE for those on regular shifts it would be ,Nights. lates, earlies...Not Earlie's, lates nights, as it would mean starting the next full week rota on a early shift.

But as someone said on a one off occasion in a emergency it would not matter, the Average and flexability rules would be implimented.

jimbms

The simple fact is overtime is optional and if they wish to impose the break rule they can, you either accept this or don't do the overtime.

pinkichiban

The simple fact is that in certain industries ie road haulage, if you're not 'co-operative' you won't get another shift. I know this happens to my partner on a regular basis, he will not break the rules (emergencies not withstanding) as his licence would be in jeopardy, and now has limited work opportunities. Read the letters in a truckers mag and see what happens if your employer persuades you to break the law and you get caught, they run like a mile and let it drop onto the driver...

Hammyman

dpassmore wrote: »

A Driver under European rules (which the majority of UK truck drivers use) requires a forty five minute break after four and a half hours driving and they can legally work a fifteen hour day.

And we criticise the so called sweat shops!

Thats tachograph regulations. Working Time Directive (mobile workers) also applies.

Under tacho rules you can legally work up to 84 hrs a week. I used to find it funny when junior doctors were complaining they had to do a 70hr week for 2 years.

ceridwen

My feeling would be that the average 48 hour workweek applied - unless
one had signed an opt-out from it BUT I suspect that the minimum legal break would apply regardless (ie even if one agreed to forego the minimum break length - it would still aplly).

You need to check.

As I recall - that minimum break length between shifts is only 11 hours anyway:eek::eek: - by the time one takes out 8 hours for a nights sleep - that's only 3 hours left anyway for getting back from work/preparing food/eating/having a social life/preparing a "breakfast" meal and having it/doing the daily "get ready" of shower, etc/getting back to work again anyway....and I, for one, couldn't begin to think of cramming all that into 11 hours as it is:eek:

O.P. - do please think VERY VERY long and hard at the thought of reducing that totally inadequate 11 hours worth of break down to an even more measly 7 hours worth!!!! Slavery HAS been officially abolished you know - don't even think of putting yourself through this please...or at least let us know the address to send "Get Well Soon" cards to when your health breaks under the strain of trying to cope with such an unrealistic timetable....