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Labour Government Pushing Through Spending Against Civil Servants Advice
dealsearcher
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There has been a report on BBC news from John Pienaar stating that senior civil servants requested letters from government ministers absolving them of any responsibilty from spending by Labour ministers undertaken against civil servants advice. This was spending in 2010 when Labour realised they were unlikely to win the election.
It is not yet on the BBC website but should be shortly.
It is not yet on the BBC website but should be shortly.
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This is the latest item on the BBC website:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8688626.stm
John Pienaar is stating there are now letters written by ministers absolving civil servants from responsibility. Labour MP's (ex ministers) were saying that 'all new governments' put the blame on the previous government. These letters make it more serious as this is not just being said by a new government, there is actual evidence.0 -
Quite extraordinary! Surely no civil servant would take this so called "nuclear option" lightly?!There is a pleasure in the pathless woods, There is a rapture on the lonely shore, There is society, where none intrudes, By the deep sea, and music in its roar: I love not man the less, but Nature more...0
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Truly a disgrace what that lot got up to. They should be prosecuted & sent to prison.0
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I find it quite sweet how people naively think that civil servants advise ministers and ministers then act on the advice - thus making the civil servants to blame.
The reality, of course - as anyone who knows any civil servants will tell you - is that civil servants advise and ministers then frequently decide to ignore that advice and do whatever they wanted to do anyway.
That's their right - they're elected.
The blame for stupid policies does not lie with stupid civil servants - it lies with stupid, egotistical ministers who think they know better than everyone else.
And to a lesser degree, with the stupid (or hoodwinked) electorate, who elected them in the first place.0 -
it might look less like cleggeron spin if they actually gave examples of when these letters had been asked for. it seem pretty normal to me that stuff gets put in writing when it's to do with large spending.
whether it is reckless or not is surely a matter of political opinion. and after all the government had a mandate from the electorate to make those decisions.Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves. - Lord Byron0 -
I think a few facts wouldn't go amiss, e.g. copies of letters names of ministers responsible, and quantified costs, we have one area identified that of bonuses and I can't imagine the senior civil servants would have been objecting to those
I have seen this type of blame behavior before when people move into new jobs, the fact that they keep repeating the bonus thing while only making general inferences about elsewhere makes me wonder. 'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
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dealsearcher wrote: »So who is voting Labour next time then? Any takers?
and who isn't....any takers?Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves. - Lord Byron0 -
It's normal for ministers to over rule civil servants. It is their job. Has anyone got any details of what these decisions were, and why they were made?“The ideas of debtor and creditor as to what constitutes a good time never coincide.”
― P.G. Wodehouse, Love Among the Chickens0
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