Unnecessarily cancelled flight

melb

How much does it cost to fuel a plane and to crew it (assuming crew are paid a decent rate of pay) and how much does it cost to reimburse 70 people who paid tuppence ha'penny for their flight?

moromir

melb wrote: »

How much does it cost to fuel a plane and to crew it (assuming crew are paid a decent rate of pay) and how much does it cost to reimburse 70 people who paid tuppence ha'penny for their flight?

... seriously?

The crew still has to be paid whether the flight goes or not.

The airport tax still has to be paid by the airline whether the flight goes or not.

The fuel is ordered in advance and still has to be paid for whether the flight goes or not.

BA recently estimated the airspace closures were costing their company £15 - 20 million per day. [source]

If your statements are based on fact rather than your personal opinion please state your sources because I'd be very interested to read them.

exel1966

sjrw123 wrote: »

exel1966 thank you for your very pompous, bombastic and self-serving knocks. How little you know about the people who turn to forums like this for HELP and ADVICE.

Then don't post rediculous, unsubstantiated, unwarranted off the cuff claims about the airline cancelling your flight just for the sheer hell of it.
The last thing any airline wants to do is cancel flights unnecessarily. Keeping flights in the air is what makes them money, not cancelling them !

It's also quite clear from your repeated phraseology/wording that you came here to rant about Ryanair and nothing more!

socks_uk

I was stranded in America for 8 days during the first of what I think will be many episodes of planes being grounded due to the volcano. I can honestly say I was pleased my flight was cancelled rather than the plane crashing into the sea because of engine failure.

OK, I might be in a different position because I actually had my holiday but those stranded days were days of uncertainty. According to news reports on American tv we could have been stuck overseas for months! It has certainly made me think twice about booking a non-package trip in future
I think British holidays are going to be well booked up for the foreseeable future!

melb

ryanair use agency staff a lot of the time - no doubt they can cancel them at short notice with no pay going by their attitude to employees. fuel may have to be pre-ordered but presumably if the plane doesn't go anywhere it doesn't get used therefore costs nothing - don't know about how airport taxes work - but have read that no tax is paid to the government until the passenger has actually taken the flight so again - no cost to airline.

moromir

melb wrote: »

ryanair use agency staff a lot of the time - no doubt they can cancel them at short notice with no pay going by their attitude to employees. fuel may have to be pre-ordered but presumably if the plane doesn't go anywhere it doesn't get used therefore costs nothing - don't know about how airport taxes work - but have read that no tax is paid to the government until the passenger has actually taken the flight so again - no cost to airline.

I think you really misunderstand the business model of airlines and how they actually make a profit.

You know how much airport parking costs for a car right? Think about how much it costs for an aeroplane! If the plane doesn't go somewhere - it has to sit in a rented terminal space or in a rented hangar. Again - this stuff isn't free. It costs, a lot. Especially if all the other airlines are in the same situation, space is available at a premium.

If the plane can't go anywhere for a significant period of time, they don't fuel it. That fuel has to be stored on airport ground. Considering the inherent health and safety risks of storing up a backlog of fuel, again, this doesn't happen for free and there are associated storage costs not to mention the costs involved in rescheduling subsequent deliveries.

I will ask you again - do you have any sources what so ever that suggest grounded flights save the airline money in any way shape or form?

I have given you multiple sources that show airlines are losing millions of pounds from this situation yet you are continuing to try and argue your point with your personal opinion rather than fact?

You are also confusing the umbrella term 'airport tax' with 'air passenger duty' which only makes up a small part of the airport taxes incurred by the airline. You are correct that air passenger duty is only collected when the flight actually flies, but this is not the case with the large majority of the other fees which they incurr regardless of whether the flight departs.

melb

are you studying law NVQ by any chance?

moromir

melb wrote: »

are you studying law NVQ by any chance?

No I am not. I'll give you kudos for the diversionary tactic though. :T

Still waiting for that source :rotfl:

dmg24

melb wrote: »

I do think ryanair have been doing wholesale cancellations of flights - just think of the money they save every time they don't have to send an aeroplane with only a quarter of the seats sold and those that were sold were at silly low prices. Even with refunds of various lots of £3 they'll be quids in. Bet they wish they could do it more often!

How many flights have they cancelled that were only a quarter full, and how many have they cancelled that were completely full? I trust you can back up your statements with facts.

melb wrote: »

How much does it cost to fuel a plane and to crew it (assuming crew are paid a decent rate of pay) and how much does it cost to reimburse 70 people who paid tuppence ha'penny for their flight?

For every passenger that has paid a very low fare, there will be several more who have paid several times more. This is basic yield management.

melb wrote: »

ryanair use agency staff a lot of the time - no doubt they can cancel them at short notice with no pay going by their attitude to employees. fuel may have to be pre-ordered but presumably if the plane doesn't go anywhere it doesn't get used therefore costs nothing - don't know about how airport taxes work - but have read that no tax is paid to the government until the passenger has actually taken the flight so again - no cost to airline.

Agency staff for their crews? Again, please provide us with facts to back up what you have said.

I trust you have first hand experience of their attitude to employees, or are you just going on what you have read in the Daily Mail?

You do not appear to have any idea what you are talking about!

jammin_2

dmg24 wrote: »

Agency staff for their crews? Again, please provide us with facts to back up what you have said.

Cabin Crew agency

http://www.ryanair.com/en/careers/job

dmg24 wrote: »

I trust you have first hand experience of their attitude to employees,

Here's one for you - if a customer pays for in-flight products with credit card and their card is subsequently declined, the staff member's wages get docked. Sounds unbelievable, I know. Close friend of mine used to work for Ryanair - he describes the experience as hell.