Speed Camera Notice (Peculiarities??)

dmg24

jamescredmond,

by the way, do you own a car? can't wait for you to get gunned! the rest of us will enjoy reading your whingeing.

Yes, I do own a car. Yes, I have been done for speeding. I know that I was driving the car at the time so I paid up. End of story.

If you don't like my posts then don't reply to them. Referring to them as Bull**** is taking it too far, and I find it personally offensive.

darbooka,

Have you requested the further evidence yet? Sorry, don't know if the fixed or hand held thing will have any bearing. I am genuinely interested in your case, and hope you have found my advice constructive (if a little blunt at times!) x

tomstickland

You can ask for the photo - I did and they came up with all sorts of excuses until I said I knew that I was allowed to see it.

RaveDog

Check out https://www.pepipoo.com - plenty of advice on motorist rights/speeding etc.

Cheers
Rave

tomstickland

Also, despite the urban myths for evasion, I was advised by a speeding law specialist to just take the points and get on with my life until I got to 9 points.

jamescredmond

tomstickland wrote:

Also, despite the urban myths for evasion, I was advised by a speeding law specialist to just take the points and get on with my life until I got to 9 points.

a gatso less than 2 miles from where I live was the highest-grossing camera in the UK 2003/4 (allegedly) - at least whilst it was operational.
then some mindless thug, probably heel-bent on revenge, set fire to it. Twice.
My guess is that he/she triggered it, set fire, triggered again after replacement, set fire again.
what is the world coming to when people resort to such actions, just to protect their licences? Who do they think they are, hurtling at breakneck speeds of 31.6 mph or similar in a 30 zone?
your specialist was right - just gotta live with it. sadly, though, some people just can't seem to move on...

tomstickland

Some camera locations I fully approve of. However, some others are daft, like those in Dorset on every bit of straight on A roads. It makes overtaking slow traffic much more involving.

darbooka

I was about to write to them for copies of the photos when I noticed that the Form on which the police want you to return to identify the driver has a 'help line' phone number, which when dialled gives you an automated menu. The information related to "evidence held" says that in this case evidence held does NOT identify the driver.
So do I return the form and on it say that I can't i.d. the driver? It doesn't really give you that option. It asks "were you the driver" and only provides tick-boxes for Yes or No.
Ddo I first ask for evidence and further elaboration on the exact address (which was not provided) of the alleged offense?

Their cover letter states, "If you are unable to provide the required information the alleged offense above will not be proceeded with however you will be liable for the offence of 'failing to furnish information contrary to Section 172'". What does that mean?

hjb123

Hi,

If you return the form and say that you cant ID the driver then I would of thought that they will penalise the named owner of the car. Every week in our local paper they publish results from the local court and nearly every week it has people in for refusing to identify the driver of a vehicle at the time of speeding offences. Normally they get a fine and points.

Section 172 is:

The keeper of the vehicle has a legal obligation, under Section 172 of the Road Traffic Act, to provide the name of the person who was driving their vehicle at the time of the alleged motoring offence. If the keeper cannot remember who was driving their vehicle, they may be liable to prosecution.

Check out the following on pepipoo:
http://www.pepipoo.com/Section_172.htm

iceman_2

So guilty until proven innocent.

Absolutely disgraceful!

darbooka

hjb123 wrote:

Hi,

If you return the form and say that you cant ID the driver then I would of thought that they will penalise the named owner of the car. Every week in our local paper they publish results from the local court and nearly every week it has people in for refusing to identify the driver of a vehicle at the time of speeding offences. Normally they get a fine and points.

Section 172 is:


Check out the following on pepipoo:
http://www.pepipoo.com/Section_172.htm

Well, the pepipoo site has a 'wizard' that you can go through and it indicates:
"If you can show that after reasonable diligence you have been unable to determine the identity of the driver, you will not be guilty of S172 failure to provide."