Will I get fired for this?

globalds

Unfortunately I think you are going to have to go in to work "cap in hand".

The mobile was your responsibility , I take it you never complained about the mobile policy when you took the phone ?
Your brother owes you some money ..I would be making sure he learns his lesson and pays you back ..And if you are lucky you have the cash in the bank to offer the company an immediate return of the money owed.

Think about it from your employers position ...It looks a lot like like they can't continue to employ you because you can't be trusted with the tools you need for your work.

dmg24

sho_me_da_money wrote: »

Im just worried as hell that they may see something I did wrong. I know the facts and I am 99.99999% sure I acted in the companies best interest.

I was hoping to have you experts give me some advice on where I could have gone wrong.

You went wrong by not ensuring that the phone was not open to misuse.

sho_me_da_money

dmg24 wrote: »

You went wrong by not ensuring that the phone was not open to misuse.

If you have a company car and your brother/sister takes your keys from a safe whilst you were sleeping, then crashes and writes it off, would a court (if it went to tribunal) hold you responsible for that and deem that disciplinary action was appropriate because you should have exercised better safeguarding and protection?

I think that companies place an owness on the owner to exercise ACCEPATABLE and REASONABLE duty of care.

I do not believe that I acted or was negligent in any way. To go home and expect your family to be potential thieves are unreasonable by any standards.

jdx

DVardysShadow wrote: »

This is dead simple to resolve. You tell the bosses what you have told us and you tell them that of course you do not expect them to pay, you and your brother will sort it. You offer them a cheque for £200 immediately and ask them for a receipt, a copy of an itemised bill and 28 days to sort it.

I agree with this. Offering 10% or more of the amount owed at this meeting may help matters.

I also agree that if you explain it as you have done so here (maybe not in the long winded sense ) then hopefully the company will take into consideration your achievements instead of the previous reason for your warning.

sho_me_da_money

dmg24 wrote: »

You went wrong by not ensuring that the phone was not open to misuse.

Also there is no clause in any documentation that states I would be liable for not ensuring the phone was not open to misuse. Instead it states, that MISUSING (as in YOU doing it) company property is not acceptable and "willful neglect of company property" is not acceptable.

I have not failed in either case.

Quiet_Life

Sorry if I missed it, but I didn't see any mention of your brother paying HIS £2,000 bill.

iamana1ias

sho_me_da_money wrote: »

If you have a company car and your brother/sister takes your keys from a safe whilst you were sleeping, then crashes and writes it off, would a court (if it went to tribunal) hold you responsible for that and deem that disciplinary action was appropriate because you should exercised better safeguarding and protection?

I think that companies place an owness on the owner to exercise ACCEPATABLE and REASONABLE duty of care.

I do not believe that I acted or was negligent in any way. To go home and expect your family to be potential thieves are unreasonable by any standards.

It's the same as PINs on credit/debit cards. If you willingly tell anyone else your PIN, you aren't covered if they take money from your account.

In your example above you would be liable if someone else knew the code for the safe.

A briefcase is not a secure place (being portable for a start), especially when others know the lock codes. Neither is your mother's handbag! :rotfl:

I'd dismiss you in a heartbeat, for stupidity as well as contravening policy.

sho_me_da_money

jdx wrote: »

I agree with this. Offering 10% or more of the amount owed at this meeting may help matters.

I also agree that if you explain it as you have done so here (maybe not in the long winded sense ) then hopefully the company will take into consideration your achievements instead of the previous reason for your warning.

I will do that and see what happens. Thank you.

dmg24

sho_me_da_money wrote: »

If you have a company car and your brother/sister takes your keys from a safe whilst you were sleeping, then crashes and writes it off, would a court (if it went to tribunal) hold you responsible for that and deem that disciplinary action was appropriate because you should exercised better safeguarding and protection?

I think that companies place an owness on the owner to exercise ACCEPATABLE and REASONABLE duty of care.

I do not believe that I acted or was negligent in any way. To go home and expect your family to be potential thieves are unreasonable by any standards.

If someone took your car keys it would be your responsibility to report it immediately, or as soon as reasonably possible. You did neither of these things.

Sorry, but you have been negligent. You need to admit this, trying to deny it implies that the same type of could happen again. I would rather retain an employee who is willing to learn from their mistake, than one who thinks he has done nothing wrong. The former is human, the latter is a liability.

sho_me_da_money

iamana1ias wrote: »

It's the same as PINs on credit/debit cards. If you willingly tell anyone else your PIN, you aren't covered if they take money from your account.

In your example above you would be liable if someone else knew the code for the safe.

A briefcase is not a secure place (being portable for a start), especially when others know the lock codes. Neither is your mother's handbag! :rotfl:

I'd dismiss you in a heartbeat, for stupidity as well as contravening policy.

Glad your not my boss then.

So your saying it is reasonable to expect one to treat everyone including your own family as potential thiefs? Is it reasonable to treat your family members as people to hide secrets from? Sorry it doesnt work like that in our home.

And a briefcase with a combo lock (at home) is the safest place I have. I do not have a safe, I do not have hidden key locked compartments.

Congratulations, you are the first person that has scarred me.