help please...sacked and must get new job

Ad_meliora2

I have posted on benefits board and it was suggested that I post here. All suggestions gratefully received but please try to be gentle as am feeling very raw and will see my GP next week. I am not sleeping and feel sick all the time plus my brain just wont stop.
I have just been sacked. I worked for the same company for 8 years and in that time have never had any complaints made. I was suspended and then sacked under "gross misconduct" (I will not go into details as people could identify me and it is important that does not happen). I am appealing with the help of my uinion rep and if appeal fails I will go to tribunal for unfair dismissal.
I am worried about getting another job, for obvious reasons. I have never not worked and in my early 40's, single with no savings (and quite alot of debt). I will not lie about what has happened in applications and wonder whether people who have been there (ie been sacked) can suggest anything while I job hunt.
On a personal note I am devastated. I loved my job but circumstances changed and it all went pete tong!
Thanks in advance for suggestions. Its really hard to think straight and decide what to do first...I know I will have to contact debt agencies and the benefits agency next week but not sure what to do about work.

Horace

I havent been sacked so cannot really advise but I will say that you need to start proceedings against your employer now even though you have appealed against your dismissal, it has to be done within 3 months of the incident that lead up to your dismissal....push the union hard because they do tend to let things slide (also ask them about reduced subs now that you are unemployed).

I would take some time to get yourself together - you have had a shock, losing your job and you are still in the process of appealing so you don't as yet know the outcome of that. I would wait until you have a definite outcome before applying because although you state that you were dismissed for gross misconduct the appeal against dismissal may be favourable and you get your job back.

With regard to your debts, I would post a statement of affairs (SOA) on the DFW board (they dont need to know about the gross misconduct dismissal) and they can tell you how to cut down and how to tackle your debts.

woody01

Without knowing why you were fired, there is no way of helping.

This has come up before though, and alot of the do-gooders will tell you that employers are understanding, and will look over this sacking when you apply elsewehere.
Unfortunately, the people that will no doubt tell you this on here, have never ran a business, interviewed anyone, employed anyone.

I run a business and obviously employ people, i can tell you with a good deal of certainty, that i would not employ anyone that was fired for Gross Misconduct.
Here is why:
- You are now a risk. Whatever you did to get fired, you may, in an employers eyes, do it again.
- If you were employed again, and it went wrong, the employer would look foolish for taking the risk on you
- This may be a problem for clients/customers if they found out (dependant on what you did)
- There are SO MANY people to choose from now in the job market, why would an employer go out on a limb and move you to the top of their list of candidates


Sorry to sound harsh, but it's stark reality.
As i said, you will get the 'Right-On' crowd telling you that this isn't the case, but it is.

Good Luck

starrystarry

While you're waiting for the outcome of your appeal and looking for another job, it might be a good idea to do some volunteering one or two days a week. Would give you something positive to put on your CV and it might take your mind off all your problems, if only for a little while. You'd need to check whether this would affect your benefits though, I'm no expert on that. I admire your decision to tell the truth in any future job applications. Good luck.

lvader

Another option might be to offer your resignation in exchange for dropping your appeal, you still lose your job but at least you don't have a black mark against you.

dmg24

lvader wrote: »

Another option might be to offer your resignation in exchange for dropping your appeal, you still lose your job but at least you don't have a black mark against you.

If the chances of a successful appeal are low I would agree with this, however I would go for a compromise agreement rather than resigning. A compromise agreement means you can claim JSA without sanction, whereas a resignation is likely to lead to a sanction. It also usually incorporates agreement as to what any reference would include, which would usually be neutral and not mention dismissal or disciplinary action.

woody01

lvader wrote: »

Another option might be to offer your resignation in exchange for dropping your appeal, you still lose your job but at least you don't have a black mark against you.

Which is exactly the option i would go for.

If it you were fired for either theft or violence though, they won't lose.

ceridwen

Not knowing what caused the Gross Misconduct dismissal - then its difficult for people to know whether to advise on honesty or no for future job applications (though understandable why you dont want to say in the circumstances).

I tend to think future employers would want to know whether the person has actually done something generally considered wrong - or just something that has been construed by that particular employer as wrong IYSWIM. But - I've not actually ever been an employer to have personal experience of this sort of thing (as is true for most of us in fact).

It could be worth checking out whether indeed a Compromise Agreement would be deemed okay from the POV of the DWP awarding benefit immediately - rather than imposing that benefit disqualification of up to 26 weeks they can do if someone is deemed to have resigned. I think you would need to get advice on this to check. (Though, of course, the point may be academic by now - if the dismissal is now "done and dusted").

vaporate

woody01 wrote: »

Without knowing why you were fired, there is no way of helping.

This has come up before though, and alot of the do-gooders will tell you that employers are understanding, and will look over this sacking when you apply elsewehere.
Unfortunately, the people that will no doubt tell you this on here, have never ran a business, interviewed anyone, employed anyone.

I run a business and obviously employ people, i can tell you with a good deal of certainty, that i would not employ anyone that was fired for Gross Misconduct.
Here is why:
- You are now a risk. Whatever you did to get fired, you may, in an employers eyes, do it again.
- If you were employed again, and it went wrong, the employer would look foolish for taking the risk on you
- This may be a problem for clients/customers if they found out (dependant on what you did)
- There are SO MANY people to choose from now in the job market, why would an employer go out on a limb and move you to the top of their list of candidates


Sorry to sound harsh, but it's stark reality.
As i said, you will get the 'Right-On' crowd telling you that this isn't the case, but it is.

Good Luck

You talk a load of crap.

Ignore this pratt OP.

There are !!!!!! employers as well as employees. If you had a pratt of an employer who treated you unfairly and as a result got fired, I wouldn' care.

It is out of your control/hands so why fret. You can only do what is in your control.

woody01

vaporate wrote: »

You talk a load of crap.

Ignore this pratt OP.

There are !!!!!! employers as well as employees. If you had a pratt of an employer who treated you unfairly and as a result got fired, I wouldn' care.

It is out of your control/hands so why fret. You can only do what is in your control.

Congratualtions...the first 'Right-On' idiot to join the thread.

The reason you wouldn't care, and you would employ them is what?
You know nothing about them.
Why they were fired.

You can't even express yourself without swearing which proves the theory. People such as yourself that use the word 'Retard' are exactly the people it defines. :T
Everything that dribbles from your mouth is opinion and not fact. My posts in this thread are factual (this one especially).
Your comments make it a sure fire fact that you are a minumum wage button pusher, that knows very little.

vaporate

woody01 wrote: »

Congratualtions...the first 'Right-On' idiot to join the thread.

The reason you wouldn't care, and you would employ them is what?
You know nothing about them.
Why they were fired.

You can't even express yourself without swearing which proves the theory. People such as yourself that use the word 'Retard' are exactly the people it defines. :T
Everything that dribbles from your mouth is opinion and not fact. My posts in this thread are factual (this one especially).
Your comments make it a sure fire fact that you are a minumum wage button pusher, that knows very little.

LOL I expected this kind of post response from you. Took you long enough.

The only dribble has come from you. What fact? Source?

As for minimum wage...lmao

What business do you run may I ask?

Every situation is different. If people could never get a job again because of a useless 'manager', there would be hundreds of thousands well qualified peeps on JSA, in addition to the victims of the recession.

Your post is not 'final'. Nor is mine either.