What are your questions on downloading & copying music legally?

sugarcoma101

Jojo_the_Tightfisted wrote: »

As it is, the artist ends up paying for most of the costs given as justification for the silly prices charged.

I wouldn't really call a fiver a silly price to be fair. Even for someone who calls himself 'jojo the tightfisted'!

But as it happens, you wont have to justify anything any longer. If you persistently steal music, bye bye internet connection. Simple as.

charleyhellfire

sugarcoma101 wrote: »

they went to jail for a year and were fined 3 million euros.

Er...no they did not, and they haven't paid any fine.

Facts are not your strong point really, are they?

charleyhellfire

sugarcoma101,

You are the failed musician Fergal Sharkey and I claim my five pounds.

:rotfl:

willherb

i want to agree with Big Catastrophe this is getting to personal and silly points are being made because of it. Can we just stick to the point of this thread and answer the threads point ie what are your questions on downloading & copying music legally or BMI will say sod this its just a slanging match and won't answer the questions asked by other people

Jojo_the_Tightfisted

sugarcoma101 wrote: »

None of that information is accurate. It is no jusification to steal music. You would rather pay an artist absolutely nothing for their work then but blame the record label for 'stiffing' them?

It's the illegal downloaders that are doing the stiffing my friend, not the record labels.

sugarcoma101 wrote: »

I wouldn't really call a fiver a silly price to be fair. Even for someone who calls himself 'jojo the tightfisted'!

But as it happens, you wont have to justify anything any longer. If you persistently steal music, bye bye internet connection. Simple as.

Never downloaded anything I didn't pay for in my life. Of the tiny amount that goes to artists, I didn't want to provide any excuse for them to have even less.

Thanks for the assumptions though.

sugarcoma101

charleyhellfire wrote: »

Er...no they did not, and they haven't paid any fine.

Facts are not your strong point really, are they?

Court jails Pirate Bay founders



court in Sweden has jailed four men behind The Pirate Bay (TPB), the world's most high-profile file-sharing website, in a landmark case.

Frederik Neij, Gottfrid Svartholm Warg, Carl Lundstrom and Peter Sunde were found guilty of breaking copyright law and were sentenced to a year in jail.
They were also ordered to pay $4.5m (£3m) in damages.
Record companies welcomed the verdict but the men are to appeal and Sunde said they would refuse to pay the fine.
Speaking at an online press conference, he described the verdict as "bizarre".
"It's serious to actually be found guilty and get jail time. It's really serious. And that's a bit weird," Sunde said.
"It's so bizarre that we were convicted at all and it's even more bizarre that we were [convicted] as a team. The court said we were organised. I can't get Gottfrid out of bed in the morning. If you're going to convict us, convict us of disorganised crime.
"We can't pay and we wouldn't pay. Even if I had the money I would rather burn everything I owned, and I wouldn't even give them the ashes."

It is almost certain that The Pirate Bay will keep on sailing, long after today's court judgement




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The damages were awarded to a number of entertainment companies, including Warner Bros, Sony Music Entertainment, EMI, and Columbia Pictures.
However, the total awarded fell short of the $17.5m in damages and interest the firms were seeking.
Speaking to the BBC, the chairman of industry body the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI) John Kennedy said the verdict sent out a clear message.
"These guys weren't making a principled stand, they were out to line their own pockets. There was nothing meritorious about their behaviour, it was reprehensible.
"The Pirate Bay did immense harm and the damages awarded doesn't even get close to compensation, but we never claimed it did.
"There has been a perception that piracy is OK and that the music industry should just have to accept it. This verdict will change that," he said.

The four men denied the charges throughout the trial, saying that because they did not actually host any files, they were not doing anything wrong.
Speaking on Swedish Radio, assistant judge Klarius explained how the court reached its findings.
"The court first tried whether there was any question of breach of copyright by the file-sharing application and that has been proved, that the offence was committed.
"The court then moved on to look at those who acted as a team to operate the Pirate Bay file-sharing service, and the court found that they knew that material which was protected by copyright but continued to operate the service," he said.
A lawyer for Carl Lundstrom, Per Samuelson, told journalists he was shocked by the guilty verdict and the severity of the sentence.
"That's outrageous, in my point of view. Of course we will appeal," he was quoted as saying by Reuters news agency. "This is the first word, not the last. The last word will be ours."
Political issue
Rickard Falkvinge, leader of The Pirate Party - which is trying to reform laws around copyright and patents in the digital age - told the BBC that the verdict was "a gross injustice".
"This wasn't a criminal trial, it was a political trial. It is just gross beyond description that you can jail four people for providing infrastructure.


Mark Mulligan from Forrester Research says what was different about Pirate Bay

"There is a lot of anger in Sweden right now. File-sharing is an institution here and while I can't encourage people to break copyright law, I'm not following it and I don't agree with it.
"Today's events make file-sharing a hot political issue and we're going to take this to the European Parliament."
The Pirate Bay is the world's most high profile file-sharing website and was set up in 2003 by anti-copyright organisation Piratbyran, but for the last five years it has been run by individuals.
Millions of files are exchanged using the service every day.
No copyright content is hosted on The Pirate Bay's web servers; instead the site hosts "torrent" links to TV, film and music files held on its users' computers.

adouglasmhor

You are wrong and the report on the BBC is wrong too. They are not in gaol and even the most deluded nuthugger for the recording industry must see the anomolies in that story.

charleyhellfire

sugarcoma101 wrote: »

Court jails Pirate Bay founders

They are not in jail and they haven't paid any fine.

:cool:

sugarcoma101

sugarcoma101 wrote: »

There is no need to be childish here. It's a civilised debate and I will keep it so, despite the fact that you have several times resorted to childish name calling.

In any case, it really doesnt matter whether they have spent their time in jail yet or not.

They were found guilty, and sentenced to a year in jail and were fined 3 million euros. Whether or not they have PAID the fine is actually a moot point, they point is, that is the sentence and fine they were given.

And again, this has no bearing on how the new Digital Economy Bill will work. Internet connections will be cut off, but no one is going to go to jail.

sugarcoma101

adouglasmhor wrote: »

You are wrong and the report on the BBC is wrong too. They are not in gaol and even the most deluded nuthugger for the recording industry must see the anomolies in that story.

the Guardian must be wrong too so...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/apr/17/the-pirate-bay-trial-guilty-verdict