How to have an green/ethical baby?

Ken-Dodds-Hairy-Knodule

starlite wrote:

EC is impossible in the western world. There is no way you can focus so much attention on your baby for it to be succesful, and why on earth would you want to.

elimination communication isn't impossible at all, there are quite a few people doing it very successfully.

Why on earth would you want to focus your attention on your baby? Why on earth have the child if you aren'y willing to spend time and attention on him or her?


As per the original topic - you can make a start by having a natural birth at home. Completely natural without drugs. It's no wonder there is so much heroin usage in the UK, the amount of people who get smacked up to give birth. (and gas and air isn't any better for a baby - first thing it encounters are drugs).

A quote that i found very true "labour is about hard work not about pain. If you understand why it is hurting - muscles contracting and pulling up on your cervix to dilate you can let your body do its thing."

jo_b_2

Ken-Dodds-Hairy-Knodule wrote:

Why on earth would you want to focus your attention on your baby? Why on earth have the child if you aren'y willing to spend time and attention on him or her?

As per the original topic - you can make a start by having a natural birth at home. Completely natural without drugs. It's no wonder there is so much heroin usage in the UK, the amount of people who get smacked up to give birth. (and gas and air isn't any better for a baby - first thing it encounters are drugs).

A quote that i found very true "labour is about hard work not about pain. If you understand why it is hurting - muscles contracting and pulling up on your cervix to dilate you can let your body do its thing."

I think you've misinterpreted what Starlite was trying to say. I think she was poitning out that 'elimination communication' is unrealistic in this country - given the climate, culture and the expectation that parents do have to do things at times that don't involve the baby. (No - I'm not getting into a working Mum's debate - I'm thinking about far simpler things like having a shower and buying food for the family etc.) :rolleyes:

As for the natural labour suggestions - each to their own. If you (I assume you are a woman and have given birth naturally) enjoyed a natural drug-free birth, all credit to you. I'm glad that you had such a positive experience of child-birth.

I think you'll find the association between using drugs in Labour and Heroin use to be pretty difficult to prove, but I'd be happy to read any articles if you provide links. Personally, I'd be grateful for a healthy child at the end of a difficult labour regardless of the method of delivery.

SusanCarter

If you want to debate elimination communication, I started a thread here: http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=204749 a while back.

jessanna

Use real (washable) nappies. They're really easy to use (they've come on a long way since the old terries squares with pins), they leak less than disposables and they save you loades of money. If you use them on more than one child the saving are even greater. From my experience finding the right brand is really important - there are some pretty poor ones available on the high street so it's worth looking further afield. Have a look at https://www.lizziesrealnappies.org.uk - they offer personalised advice online and their prices are pretty good too.

cleoangel

Use Olive oil on dry patches, it works a treat. We have a bath seat and a top and tail bowl for inbetween times rather than a baby bath and although we bought reusable nappies our 9wk old is very slim and the brand we bought are too bulky and seem to push her legs apart. So she is in disposables at the mo, I have asked the Nappy Lady for advice on better ones for her. Thanks to the post earlier that gave the website.

If you have sure start they run baby massage courses for free, so we are taking part in that starting this friday. Check out the timetable of your local centre as there seem to be a lot of different activities running for free.

MummyMiche

I've been thinking of using real nappies for some time but as i live in a 2nd floor flat at the moment with no tumble drier, it's a bit of a pain to drag washing and a baby downstairs to hang it out on line. (We are moving to a house with a garden soon). Can anyone reccomend a type of real nappy or does anyone know someone in my area who could advise me.

Thanks
Miche

jessanna

The Tots Bots Fluffles are really good. I don't have a dryer either and they're really easy to dry - they take an hour or two in a warm room.

SusanCarter

If you want to find out about "real" nappies, try this thread:
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=195990

BethanL

You could consider this green and ethical is it is a way to entertain baby involving no toys and it is certainly a money saver on a personal level!

My baby loves me using her as a 'weight' to exercise with, she laughs and giggles with joy when I lift her up over my head or use her to do bicep curls. Also, she loves sitting on my tummy leant against my legs as I do sit-ups, she thinks I'm playing peek-a-boo with her.

BethanL

And just to add another green benefit of breastfeeding - as long as you are feeding exclusively you are unlikely to have any periods and so won't need to use any sanitary products.

I would just like to say though on not buying too much, I was great before the birth at buying almost nothing, but now the little girl is here I have been succumbing to the temptation to buy her one or two (or more) cute little outfits. It's much easier not to buy for a notional baby than when you have them.