UKIP .... the BNP for softies...

lostinrates

Cleaver wrote: »

But if you come back with another two lines just calling me racist, I will probably just ignore you.

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Cleaver

abaxas wrote: »

What a load!

You are saying my local GP (who is indian) should be sacked as this area is 99% white anglo saxon. No way.

*sigh* *really big sigh*

No, your Asian GP shouldn't be sacked because they are in a 99% white area. To repeat, yet again, I wouldn't sack or hire anyone purely based on their race, ethnicity or sex. I would appoint people on their ability to do the job. I want the best doctors appointed. Are we clear on this? I don't want a GP appointed because they are Asian. I don't want a GP appointed because they are a woman. Or anything else.

Now, just to repeat myself one more time. Studies show that a team of GPs that reflect their communities offer better healthcare. Better in terms of patient care, cost efficiency and standards of care. If you're interested in reading about this I can happily point you in the direction of some of them.

So, the logical conclusion is that a medical practice should strive to appoint GPs that reflect their community. You can do this in a zillion different ways. The bluntest way of doing it is an advert for a new GP that is only open to Asian doctors to apply. I think this is a wrong, divisise way of appointing, so wouldn't personally go down this path.

I now offically give up talking about this.

ILW

Cleaver wrote: »

ARGRHRGHGAHGAGHAGHAGGHHHHH!!!!! You are so frustrating, and stop calling me racist when I'm clearly not being any such thing. I would't, and haven't, ever said that employing someone purely because they are Polish, black, a woman or anything else is a good idea. It's a stupid idea.

I'm agreeing with you, they should employ people who are the best. But don't ya just think that Polish people might just be good at sourcing Polish food? So, what would you do if you worked for an English company, in England, that needs to source and sell Polish food for Polish people in England? Well, I reckon I might think that, shock horror, Polish people might be good for that job.

So, like you say above, I'd want someone with skills and experience to the job. So for this job I'd want someone who could speak Polish to deal with suppliers, speak English to deal with Tesco people, good knowledge of Polish food, good knowledge of Polish culture to know what food to sell and then all the usual stuff: IT skills, communication skills, experience in retail, experience in sales etc.

I dunno about you, but I'd be thinking that a Polish person would be a pretty damn good bet for this job. So if I were recruiting I would heavily target Polish people. Hell, on the day of the interview I'd take the best person for the job, but I'd want to make sure we'd advertised in local Polish newspapers and alerted agencies to target Polish people.

Now, you can see the above as racist. You could stick an advert in the paper and simply say: we want the best person for the job. And that's fine. But modern organisations don't work in that way, they are cleverer than that and understand that targetting certain people for jobs is good practice.

I enjoy debating this issue and respect people that think completely differently to this. I'd be happy to discuss and listen to why they think differently. But if you come back with another two lines just calling me racist, I will probably just ignore you.

Have you tried Polish Food?

lostinrates

Cleaver wrote: »

I now offically give up talking about this.

defeatist :D:D

Cleaver

abaxas wrote: »

Take for example, french cuisine.

There are lots of english chefs with a larget knowledge of this than their french counterparts. Who is better to run that french bistro?

A great example. Who is best at cooking the French cuisine? Well, you'd find out by getting them all to cook something. Then you'd pick the one who cooked the best meal. I couldn't give two hoots where they were French, English, German or Spanish.

But where would you advertise for a cook to cook your French food though? If there was a French speaking community near you that happened to have a lot of cooks there, do you think you might have a wander down there and mention that you're looking for a cook to cook French cuisine? Or is this somehow racist to British people?

So, to say again, you take the best person for the job. But common sense dictates that if you're opening a French restaurant, serving French food and you have a large community of French people living nearby, that maybe targetting one of them to possibly cook in your restaurant might just be a good idea?

bambam101

A white British person can't be racist to a white Polish person, as they share the same skin pigmentation, if they didn't like them they would be xenophobic - (the fear of which is unknown or different from oneself), thought I'd clear that one up!

ILW

bambam101 wrote: »

A white British person can't be racist to a white Polish person, as they share the same skin pigmentation, if they didn't like them they would be xenophobic - (the fear of which is unknown or different from oneself), thought I'd clear that one up!

Thank you for that.
It does now appear that racism seems to also cover anybody from a different country. To be honest I am not sure what it means anymore. Is there a legal definition of race?
I to remember somebody getting done for racism for calling a workmate a Jock.

abaxas

ILW wrote: »

Thank you for that.
It does now appear that racism seems to also cover anybody from a different country. To be honest I am not sure what it means anymore. Is there a legal definition or race?

Who knows.

I'm from the geordie race, sadly I've never found a form with it on :<

lostinrates

ILW wrote: »

Thank you for that.
It does now appear that racism seems to also cover anybody from a different country. To be honest I am not sure what it means anymore. Is there a legal definition or race?

Fairly sure the ''legal'' includes culture/nationality as well as ethnicity for its purposes.

edit: this might confirm (so far as wikipedia can)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

bambam101

lostinrates wrote: »

Fairly sure the ''legal'' includes culture/nationality as well as ethnicity for its purposes.

edit: this might confirm (so far as wikipedia can)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

Yes, it depends on what definition you base it on, the united nations legal definition is on many different racial and ethnicital destinctions. But purely on racial characteristics there's no difference between someone who's white British, and someone who's white Polish.