UKIP .... the BNP for softies...

Cleaver

abaxas wrote: »

I'm just curious. Since I'm a white 'anglo saxon' I've only been the 'vicim' once.

It was a job in the NHS. Magically someone with less skills and much less experience got the job. Infact I wouldnt have got the job anyways, but since I ahve 'inside info'. It was mad when I found out the person they employed almost had to me non white.

Brought it all home to me.

I have seen people with less skills and experience get jobs over others. Often through better potential, advanced communication skills, a perceived ability to get on with members of the team better, experience in one specific field that means that they are maybe better suited. And of course, we've all interviewed people who have the best skills and experience out of the whole field and then say something, or describe an experience, where you just think, 'oh good lord, we're not employing them...'. There's no chance this could have been you? I know I've sometimes said things in an interview and thought, "ahh, that's blown it".

Okay, put your money where your mouth is. What was the job and what was the organisation? I've worked for the NHS in previous jobs and never once have I seen evidence of positive action recruitment.

abaxas

Cleaver wrote: »

I have seen people with less skills and experience get jobs over others. Often through better potential, advanced communication skills, a perceived ability to get on with members of the team better, experience in one specific field that means that they are maybe better suited. And of course, we've all interviewed people who have the best skills and experience out of the whole field and then say something, or describe an experience, where you just think, 'oh good lord, we're not employing them...'. There's no chance this could have been you? I know I've sometimes said things in an interview and thought, "ahh, that's blown it".

Okay, put your money where your mouth is. What was the job and what was the organisation? I've worked for the NHS in previous jobs and never once have I seen evidence of positive action recruitment.

DBA job... years ago.

Only reason I applied was my mate worked there, so recommended I applied. Hence all the inside info.

Hence I went contracting and the rest is history. At least with contract work, skills are everything, colour is skin is not *

* unless they are cheap and indian. :P

kennyboy66_2

abaxas wrote: »

I'm just curious. Since I'm a white 'anglo saxon' I've only been the 'vicim' once.

It was a job in the NHS. Magically someone with less skills and much less experience got the job. Infact I wouldnt have got the job anyways, but since I ahve 'inside info'. It was mad when I found out the person they employed almost had to me non white.

Brought it all home to me.

I'd bet money on this being pure Jackanory, but it's convenient for white males of a certain age to believe they didn't get the job because they were discriminated against. If it wasn't for all those women & 'coloured people', look how well i would have done.

You can almost see the bitterness eating away at them.

Cleaver

abaxas wrote: »

DBA job... years ago.

Only reason I applied was my mate worked there, so recommended I applied. Hence all the inside info.

Hence I went contracting and the rest is history. At least with contract work, skills are everything, colour is skin is not *

* unless they are cheap and indian. :P

A DBA job for an NHS organisation? On what system, Oracle? Seems really strange, as I know that IT is an area in the NHS that would never be 'under-represented' (or whatever term you want to use) by people of various backgrounds. Management, some clinical areas and Estates / Facilities are often the areas where certain races are under-represented and some organisations go down the route of heavily advertising to people from certain backgrounds.

abaxas

kennyboy66 wrote: »

I'd bet money on this being pure Jackanory, but it's convenient for white males of a certain age to believe they didn't get the job because they were discriminated against. If it wasn't for all those women & 'coloured people', look how well i would have done.

You can almost see the bitterness eating away at them.

No no no.

I've applied for lots of job, got many, not got others.

The only reason I knew about the process was due to having a mate on the inside. I wouldnt have got the job anyways as there were better people on the shortlist than me.

Mate did recommend something though, I have dark hair. So next time I should be jewish :eek:

EDIT : This was over 10 years ago!

ILW

lostinrates wrote: »

I'm not anti immigration totally but would support much lower limits and restrictions.

I do not hold, like Gen's Mauritian Chinese acquaintance that tensions are inevitable with mass immigration: it would depend entirely on the resources available. My friends to are drawn from different cultures, countries and races, and I am married to someone of a different background. Someone's colour doesn't define to me how much they are part of this country now, or even their place of birth, rather the way they live. My friendships and romantic liaisons have been cross cultural, not by design but by circumstance and because I see no barrier in that. I myself am a cultural mixed breed and have lived in many different places, some where I stood out, some where I didn't.

As some one who experienced physically violent racism as a child, not in this country, I feel proud to live in a country which is rich in culture and broadly accepting and curious. I do not feel like a racist, and were we a country of a different size then my views on what the ''limits would be best being'' would alter too.

edit: never the less I will not be voting for UKIP.

You have fallen into the trap of connecting views on immigration with colour. The two are not related and it just stifles any sensible debate on the subject.

lostinrates

ILW wrote: »

You have fallen into the trap of connecting views on immigration with colour. The two are not related and it just stifles any sensible debate on the subject.

No, I haven't: if you read on. In fact, I was drawing a distinction between the two.

markharding557

So called positive discrimination does go on in the police and some councils force for eg.
white males are the group most often disregarded in these discriminatory selection methods

chewmylegoff

markharding557 wrote: »

So called positive discrimination does go on in the police and some councils force for eg.
white males are the group most often disregarded in these discriminatory selection methods

the purpose of the positive discrimination is to try to make the workforce of an organisation currently dominated by white males more representative of the population as a whole. it is to correct favouritism towards white males.

abaxas

chewmylegoff wrote: »

the purpose of the positive discrimination is to try to make the workforce of an organisation currently dominated by white males more representative of the population as a whole. it is to correct favouritism towards white males.

Since when as a representative workforce been the best one for the business?

Ability has nothing to do with race/colour. Go join the BNP and make some friends!

SCUM!