Does NRP rent get taken into account for CSA?

lizzielondon

if a couple were still together surely they wouldn't have more children than they could afford?

there are obviously problems with the system from both sides but i think it's a valid point

chriszzz

lizzielondon wrote: »

if a couple were still together surely they wouldn't have more children than they could afford?
That maybe so for some but then again some just have them whether they can afford them or not and that also means the female and male both. So none of this PWC/NRP is an open and shut case, every case is different, every finance is different, every parent skills are different, every child are different, every case should be treated different.

there are obviously problems with the system from both sides but i think it's a valid point

There is definitely problems both sides and as it stands now in this country there is no equality for NRPs.

speedster

chriszzz wrote: »

I think some on here are quite single minded and forget that some NRPs really do have a tough time, its almost like they are not allowed to think after seperation and how dare they even consider having other children if they carnt afford to pay for the ones he already has. (as some have expressed that on csa thread). So a NRP can be the most loving, giving parent, takes years to build a home for his family and then one day PWC tells him that she wants him gone because she wants to move her new fella in and then says Oh by the way if you carnt afford to support the children I suggest you dont have anymore. Oh please how much control do PWC think they have.

How can some dictate that NRPs should not go onto having more children, some on here forget that a PWC can have part/time job,child support, new partner and maybe maybe not be eligible for wtc/ctc plus the government dont consider the new partners financial contribution to the family household. Some are driven by the money and nothing else.

yup. i think one of the things that hurts my mate the most is that she has moved her new fella into his old house, they live mortgage free, claim every benefit under the sun, cash in hand work, etc, etc, etc.

and there's him eating beans on toast and dossing on a mates sofa.

he's a mess with his life in tatters and his ex is just determined to milk the gravy train for all it's worth. she's out of luck though now, cos i cant see him bothering even trying to get another job in the forseeable future. he's past caring and the system has destroyed him.

even jail doesn't bother him.

chriszzz

Hi Speedster,

Sorry to hear about your friend. These are the true cold facts of how it is for some NRPs.

I hope I have educated my son well enough to know that he has a responsibility to his children if his relationship fails, and that fatherhood means nothing in this country.

Hopefully by the time he has children there will be equal rights for NRPs and shared parenting, which should balance the money fairly.

lauren_1

I think £56 a week is more than ample when you add it to your CB, CTC and WTC.

Thats over £200 extra a month for your children, and now CM has been disregarded as income for nearly all benefits I really cannot see why people are complaining anymore? Ok it does suck when you might only get £5 off a NRP, but £56 is ample.

If you dont think its enough then maybe you should recalculate your own personal budget and see where you can make cuts so it all goes on your child.

speedster

lauren_1 wrote: »

I think £56 a week is more than ample when you add it to your CB, CTC and WTC.

Thats over £200 extra a month for your children, and now CM has been disregarded as income for nearly all benefits I really cannot see why people are complaining anymore? Ok it does suck when you might only get £5 off a NRP, but £56 is ample.

If you dont think its enough then maybe you should recalculate your own personal budget and see where you can make cuts so it all goes on your child.

take my ex. the word "budget" isn't in her vocabulary, but she expects me to pick up the bill.

she's slowly learning that i have no problem supporting our daughter, but i wont fund the lifestlye she craves. if she wants it, she can get off her lazy arze and fund it herself.

going back to my mate, he was paying over £150 a week, that's £600 per month!! he stupidly signed the house over to her as well, on the understanding that was the end of it. she waited a year and then used the csa to destroy him.

£600 a month isn't enough for her, i don't think £6000 would be either.

still, she gets sod all now.

some pwc's greed know no bounds. :mad:

speedster

ballsonyournose wrote: »

Honest question, but why do most PWC think its solely the NRP's duty to provide financially?
Im of the opinion woman are equal to men, but it seems most PWC harp back to the stone age where woman cook/clean/breastfeed and the men bring home the bacon.

If i dared suggest that to my fianc!e, i'd be castrated on the spot!

women only want to be equal to men when it suits their ends.

the equality card gets pulled out only when it suits them. like when you say child support should be 50/50 for both parents.

lauren_1

speedster wrote: »

take my ex. the word "budget" isn't in her vocabulary, but she expects me to pick up the bill.

she's slowly learning that i have no problem supporting our daughter, but i wont fund the lifestlye she craves. if she wants it, she can get off her lazy arze and fund it herself.

going back to my mate, he was paying over £150 a week, that's £600 per month!! he stupidly signed the house over to her as well, on the understanding that was the end of it. she waited a year and then used the csa to destroy him.

£600 a month isn't enough for her, i don't think £6000 would be either.

still, she gets sod all now.

some pwc's greed know no bounds. :mad:

I am inclined to agree that there are some (pardon my french) greedy !!!!ers out there. There also some stingy NRP's too, we cant deny that too.

If some PWC were ever asked to proove where the CM went i think a fair few would struggle.

speedster

lauren_1 wrote: »

I am inclined to agree that there are some (pardon my french) greedy !!!!ers out there. There also some stingy NRP's too, we cant deny that too.

If some PWC were ever asked to proove where the CM went i think a fair few would struggle.

i don't think it's even a case of proving where the CM goes.

but when you get greedy fookers like my ex, i begrudge funding her little extravagences. like the time she asked me for more money one week, when it turned out her unemployed BF didn't have any cigs!!

still, her greed and stupidity are her own downfall. she spent 3 years on a fiver a week. talk about cut your nose off to spite your face!! :rotfl:

now the csa are out of the equation and i am supplying anything our daughter needs, she seems to have rejoined the human race.... for the moment anyway!! :T

Kimitatsu

lauren_1 wrote: »

I think £56 a week is more than ample when you add it to your CB, CTC and WTC.

Thats over £200 extra a month for your children, and now CM has been disregarded as income for nearly all benefits I really cannot see why people are complaining anymore? Ok it does suck when you might only get £5 off a NRP, but £56 is ample.

If you dont think its enough then maybe you should recalculate your own personal budget and see where you can make cuts so it all goes on your child.

Actually the OP wasnt saying that they couldnt manage on it, the NRP in their case was refusing to pay at all, so they were just checking their entitlement

I think we are all agreed that there is good and bad on both sides but ultimately the CSA is there to impose the laibility and ensure that it is paid to the PWC. The issue with any system is that it can only work in black and white, it has no real variance for shades of grey which is why many NRP's and PWC's get caught up in the red tape. On these boards though, we dont get people coming and telling us how well it has worked or that they are paying more than they need to because they are content and do not require further help or input from anyone else.