We are all in this together, well not if you are in a union.

Generali

Really2 wrote: »

You never answered the question where will the cuts be made to increase wages? Or should we just raise taxes even higher?

You said you had outlined cuts, what are they?

As per your OP, it's for you mugs to find the money to keep the Government sector going. Don't ask questions just dig deep!

Really2

marklv wrote: »

A pay increase cap of 1% is a pay cut - as inflation is around 3.7% at present. This means a net loss of 2.7% - which means a pay cut! Did you do maths at school?

How do you feel about private sector pay freezes?

How would you feel if the people not in the public sector could strike and said they did not want to cover public sector debt, and that the public sector should pay it back not every tax payer?

Don't forget the debt is what the public sector is running up. It is unsustainable, you live on revenue feeds, they have dropped. Sorry that means your incomes will have to drop one way or another.
There is no magic money tree?

Really2

marklv wrote: »

Read my previous posts. I mentioned the ridiculous spending on £2,000 a day management consultants, IT projects that swallow up billions of pounds, etc. These are the areas where the real waste is and where billions can be saved in cuts.

But is that enough to cut the deficit and increase wages...................

No.

The_White_Horse

every public sector worker should get a 25% pay cut.

then, they should look into seeing who can have a bigger pay cut and sack a large proportion of them.

leeches.

how many public sector workers are having a meeting about having a meeting to discuss the outcome of a meeting following a meeting as we speak.

they will then follow up this with a meeting.

they will never actually get anything done or produce anything.

public sector workers need to realise one thing - they add nothing are just a cost (sometimes a necessary cost) to the money generating sector. their pay should not be comparable.

These idiot town hall cronies on 200k a year would never earn such a figure in the real world. they should be put down to 60k. If they think they will get more in the real world, let them.

hateful horrible "no can do" people with a massive chip on their shoulder and entitlement attitude.

When I suggested to a teacher friend of mine who was moaning about her low pay, that perhaps her salary should be linked to her pupils results, she mocked. When i said that that is how pay is determined in the real world, she soon shut up. Be paid according to results? Never. I don't blame them with all the failure around them - they would probably starve.

JasonLVC

Really2 wrote: »

They are arguing that is a cut in real terms.

I know what they are arguing, I'm just being argumentative;).

ninky_2

The_White_Horse wrote: »

every public sector worker should get a 25% pay cut.

then, they should look into seeing who can have a bigger pay cut and sack a large proportion of them.

leeches.

how many public sector workers are having a meeting about having a meeting to discuss the outcome of a meeting following a meeting as we speak.

they will then follow up this with a meeting.

they will never actually get anything done or produce anything.

public sector workers need to realise one thing - they add nothing are just a cost (sometimes a necessary cost) to the money generating sector. their pay should not be comparable.

These idiot town hall cronies on 200k a year would never earn such a figure in the real world. they should be put down to 60k. If they think they will get more in the real world, let them.

hateful horrible "no can do" people with a massive chip on their shoulder and entitlement attitude.

When I suggested to a teacher friend of mine who was moaning about her low pay, that perhaps her salary should be linked to her pupils results, she mocked. When i said that that is how pay is determined in the real world, she soon shut up. Be paid according to results? Never. I don't blame them with all the failure around them - they would probably starve.

public sector workers should get a 25 percent pay cut and be linked to results. so how do you judge the results of a nurse or a teacher? should they only take on patients or pupils who are going to recover easily or do well? that would certainly boost their performance related pay you suggest? but what about the patients who have chronic ailments? or the pupils with learning difficulties or from deprived backgrounds? you can't judge everything on obvious results. and some things have a value money just can't buy.

Generali

ninky wrote: »

.... some things have a value money just can't buy.

True, I couldn't put a price on my daughter telling me she loves me unprompted or my son ernestly explaining to me about a big flood where God told someone to make a boat like Uncle Dave's.....

However, teaching and nursing can and are bought. If you think otherwise, look at people in Zimbabwe who can't afford either - if the money ain't there you get neither.

If the Government keeps on borrowing a third of current spending then the UK won't have nurses or teachers either. I'm sure it won't come to that but if you guys keep on voting in whichever party promises the most shiny baubles then that's where it'll end.

Really2

Generali wrote: »

If the Government keeps on borrowing a third of current spending then the UK won't have nurses or teachers either. I'm sure it won't come to that but if you guys keep on voting in whichever party promises the most shiny baubles then that's where it'll end.

The problem is with more and more working for the public sector those baubles look brighter and brighter.

Generali

Really2 wrote: »

The problem is with more and more working for the public sector those baubles look brighter and brighter.

Absolutely right.

Why are people earning well in excess of £50,000 a year able to claim family tax credit? So that more people feel beholden to the State for their income.

Thatcher's failure was that she never broke that mindset despite never standing on a platform of buying millions of votes by increasing spending. Every election since has been won by the party prepared to offer the most outlandish promises.

There was a very good article in the FT a few days ago saying that in the past 2 weeks, Labour MPs had promised to spend £7,000,000,000 on community projects. The politics of the UK are such that the Tories can't stand on a platform that says, "We'll not buikd a new village hall" (or whatever).

marklv

Really2 wrote: »

How do you feel about private sector pay freezes?

How would you feel if the people not in the public sector could strike and said they did not want to cover public sector debt, and that the public sector should pay it back not every tax payer?

Don't forget the debt is what the public sector is running up. It is unsustainable, you live on revenue feeds, they have dropped. Sorry that means your incomes will have to drop one way or another.
There is no magic money tree?

OK, so what? Almost everyone has debt, it's called a mortgage. Debt is not a monster that must be slayed at any cost, debt must be managed. Lots of countries, including major ones, have bigger debt than us, take Japan or Italy for example. All this paranoia about debt is created by the media, but in reality debt is a necessity because it enables the government to carry out its spending plans through all the troughs and peaks of tax intakes.