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Why not accept a freeze, let the capital expenditure carry on so kids get a good education and that they don't miss days due to strikes?
If they want more money at the moment it means money for the children's education and to buy every day things gets less!
If they vote to go ahead with this I will find it hard to believe it is for the love of the job and not the money TBH.
Many public servants work for the money. Is that so hard to understand? Are they all supposed to be mother theressa, selflessly working for spiritual enlightenment, and hordes of angels?
These days, no one with an ounce of brain would actually do teaching for love, because it is a horrible job.“The ideas of debtor and creditor as to what constitutes a good time never coincide.”
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lostinrates wrote: »Exactly.
As a ''nipper'' you presumably had lower skill levels than most teachers/other grads, so it would make sense you had lower pay per hour.
I got paid the same as grads and teachers...................................
If they were working on a market stall and a petrol station.
But yes many "lower skilled" work longer hours to "top up" for what they lack in skills to command a higher wage.0 -
Many public servants work for the money. Is that so hard to understand? Are they all supposed to be mother theressa, selflessly working for spiritual enlightenment, and hordes of angels?
These days, no one with an ounce of brain would actually do teaching for love, because it is a horrible job.
No. I have said before most do it for the money and was told I was wrong.
Wrong again I see? What is right, as I can't seem to win on bringing up pay on the subject of teaching.
(personally I see it as a well paid job due to the stresses put in, but have been told on may an occasion on here many do it because of the love of the job!)0 -
Many public servants work for the money. Is that so hard to understand?
No-one is claiming they do not. People in the private sector work for the money too but that still does not make them immune from declining revenues and the realities of the current economic situation. If the money is not there, and it is not, then the public sector are going to have to feel the pain both on salaries and on pensions."There's no such thing as Macra. Macra do not exist."
"I could play all day in my Green Cathedral".
"The Centuries that divide me shall be undone."
"A dream? Really, Doctor. You'll be consulting the entrails of a sheep next. "0 -
Spartacus_Mills wrote: »No-one is claiming they do not. People in the private sector work for the money too but that still does not make them immune from declining revenues and the realities of the current economic situation. If the money is not there, and it is not, then the public sector are going to have to feel the pain both on salaries and on pensions.
If they are working for the money, why shouldn't they use every means at their disposal to get as much of it as possible? Including strikes, and at the ballot box.“The ideas of debtor and creditor as to what constitutes a good time never coincide.”
― P.G. Wodehouse, Love Among the Chickens0 -
No. I have said before most do it for the money and was told I was wrong.
Wrong again I see? What is right, as I can't seem to win on bringing up pay on the subject of teaching.
(personally I see it as a well paid job due to the stresses put in, but have been told on may an occasion on here many do it because of the love of the job!)
I think most people have a complex reason for doing any one thing. Pay someone enough they'll do something they don't want to/don't enjoy....offer someone too little and they'll be put off doing something they love a lot in a professional capacity. we seem to hate shades of grey around here!0 -
lostinrates wrote: »I think most people have a complex reason for doing any one thing. Pay someone enough they'll do something they don't want to/don't enjoy....offer someone too little and they'll be put off doing something they love a lot in a professional capacity. we seem to hate shades of grey around here!
It just confuses me as I took the "other line" on this thread of liking the job.
It like being in a mine field with size 13 feet.
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It just confuses me as I took the "other line" on this thread of liking the job.
It like being in a mine field with size 13 feet.
ROFL. Its a debate forum though, the point of debate is to run out both sides of an argument...so...the point is the alternative view should and will always be played. when its NOT is when it goes wrong.;)0 -
It just confuses me as I took the "other line" on this thread of liking the job.
Same here. As a younger man I once worked at Rothschilds but couldn't stand it or the work. Went into something completely different, for less money, but which gives personal satisfaction. However I didn't realise Labour would sit back and allow a massive credit expansion.0 -
lostinrates wrote: »ROFL. Its a debate forum though, the point of debate is to run out both sides of an argument...so...the point is the alternative view should and will always be played. when its NOT is when it goes wrong.;)
If you can't play all three sides of the argument in a two sided debate, you're doin' it wrong.“The ideas of debtor and creditor as to what constitutes a good time never coincide.”
― P.G. Wodehouse, Love Among the Chickens0
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