We are all in this together, well not if you are in a union.

The_White_Horse

recycling is a joke - they don't even know what to do with it all.

my wheelie bin is full after a week. after two weeks it is pouring out over the street. its filthy. maybe they should collect the social housing bins once a month and the real people's bins weekly. or collect the higher council tax payers more often. why should I pay more than a flat or smaller house and get my bins collected the same? I pay more, i should get a better service.

lostinrates

The_White_Horse wrote: »

recycling is a joke - they don't even know what to do with it all.

my wheelie bin is full after a week. after two weeks it is pouring out over the street. its filthy. maybe they should collect the social housing bins once a month and the real people's bins weekly. or collect the higher council tax payers more often. why should I pay more than a flat or smaller house and get my bins collected the same? I pay more, i should get a better service.

I think I knew you would produce a lot of rubbish.

ninky_2

The_White_Horse wrote: »

my wheelie bin is full after a week. after two weeks it is pouring out over the street. its filthy. .

we had a bin strike recently and it made me realise how little rubbish we produce compared to other people. some people had front gardens chock full of bin bags whilst our wheelie still had space after a month. i think the recycling bins should be bigger and the wheelie bin smaller. we have food waste bins and can put plastic bottles, glass, paper and card and foil in the recycling. i really wonder what else that leaves for the rubbish bins. i mean, what are people finding to throw away?

lostinrates

ninky wrote: »

we had a bin strike recently and it made me realise how little rubbish we produce compared to other people. some people had front gardens chock full of bin bags whilst our wheelie still had space after a month. i think the recycling bins should be bigger and the wheelie bin smaller. we have food waste bins and can put plastic bottles, glass, paper and card and foil in the recycling. i really wonder what else that leaves for the rubbish bins. i mean, what are people finding to throw away?

we can't put card or plastic in our recycling, that's what makes me a little frustrated. Its not green, because I have to put it in my Land rover and drive it to the recycling place myself.

N1AK

marklv wrote: »

You forget that private sector employees are also a cost - a cost to their employer and to the shareholders who own the company.

The difference between forget and not mention something that has no relevance to a discussion of government finances has evidently alluded you.

marklv wrote: »

And public sector employees pay tax and NI to the government just like anyone else, brainbox.

What is this, point out the absurdly obvious hour?

I've made my view known, you've had another opportunity to troll with your oh so original brand of ignore point and deflect attention, everyones a winner.

Exocet

N1AK wrote: »

The difference between forget and not mention something that has no relevance to a discussion of government finances has evidently alluded you.



What is this, point out the absurdly obvious hour?

On the offchance that it is can I say I don't think alluded is correct.

carolt

lostinrates wrote: »

TBH, for a training contract alternative with that sort of pay,..that sounds pretty OK.

It would be, were it true.

For the record, most trainee teachers get a handout of 4K - but £3100 of that (ish) needs to be paid in fees.

So they actually get £900 to pay for everything for a whole year. Not a huge amount.

It used to be higher; for teachers in a few chosen subjects, at secondary level only (eg maths/science, I think), they get the princely sum of 9K, with the same proviso re fees.

A very few graduates can do an 'on the job' training, where they will be paid the same as a teaching assistant eg 14K ish; it's then a full-time job, with extra studying on top.

misskool

carolt wrote: »

It would be, were it true.

For the record, most trainee teachers get a handout of 4K - but £3100 of that (ish) needs to be paid in fees.

So they actually get £900 to pay for everything for a whole year. Not a huge amount.

It used to be higher; for teachers in a few chosen subjects, at secondary level only (eg maths/science, I think), they get the princely sum of 9K, with the same proviso re fees.

A very few graduates can do an 'on the job' training, where they will be paid the same as a teaching assistant eg 14K ish; it's then a full-time job, with extra studying on top.

http://www.tda.gov.uk/Recruit/thetrainingprocess/fundinginengland/postgrad_funding.aspx

You get £9000 (for the 9 month course) if you teach secondary school subjects like physics, maths, chemistry, engineering. £6000 for biology and most other subjects, £4000 for the rest.

On top of that you get SLC grant, maintenance grants (dependent on the university) and potentially get a golden hello when you start your first job.

carolt

That's what I said - but you missed out the bit about having to pay fees out of that.

So for most teachers, = £900 left over.

Obviously, for maths/science teachers, they do OK out of it. Most don't.

carolt

What I find really interesting, if bizarre, about this thread and many of the threads on public v private sector workers, is that it sets out some kind of weird artificial divide between the two, as though we live on different planets.

Take, for example, one profession mentioned that is close to my heart - teaching.

It's been posited above that teachers at private school must be "better" because they achieve "better results". (Attr the White Horse, I think?)

I find this a fascinating view as it makes no allowance for the many who, like myself, have worked for both public and private, and indeed, often for both at the same time. Does that mean we go from being "bad" to "good" teachers, depending which building we happen to be in?

What about NHS doctors who top up their earnings with some private work - do they let their standards slip in the NHS and kill off all the patients whose cash they don't see?

I'd love to know...