Petrol prices

Graham_Devon

dchurch24 wrote:

..hmmm.. I know youare right, but what if just two cars happened to break down (maybe run out of petrol) next to each other in the two lanes that lead to Dover docks.
Surely you cannot be 'nicked' for running out of petrol in a precarious place?

...sadly, I think you probably can.

No you couldnt get nicked, but you would be moved on within half an hour by the police and your car put in the police pound if you have no breakdown cover which you would have to pay to get out! I.e. giving yet more to the government.

Don't think thats the way to go really!

dchurch24

Probably right.

So, is there a legal angle we can take?

They can't possibly have sewn EVERY angle up, can they?

It is getting silly now, petrol is a NEED for everyone.

Graham_Devon

By the way, if anyone has got any serious, viable ways in which we could do anything about this, say a bunch of MSE'ers, I'm more than willing to give a few days of time to the cause.

I doubt very much though that theres anything we can do that doesnt involve being fined (giving more to the government) and locked up for a few days.

The only thing left that we can do within the law is a go slow on a motorway, but that really doesn't do anything (i was part of the M4 go slow against speeding fines) as it only lasts a few hours.

The other is boycott a certain retailer. But to do that, you need co-operation of the whole country, and that just isn't going to happen. Even if prices rose to £2 per litre, you wouldnt get the whole country behind you.

Therefore, the government have locked up anything you can do, so the only thing you can do, is pay it and like it or lump it. Either that, or don't go to work and claim benefits.

I've never claimed benefits in my life and am totally against it if you are able to work and offered a job but don't take it. However, I'm starting to see why people do this. I had someone explain to me the other day, he had worked for 40 years since the age of 15. He quit work solely to claim benefits as he could no longer 'afford' to work. Once he had paid to get to work, paid to park, paid his income tax, paid his road tax, paid his council tax, he was left worse off. Claiming benefits and having a 'holiday' as he calls it, he's actually £30 better off per month. He was a bus driver working 6 days per week.

He no longer has to pay coucil tax, or rent, or petrol to get to work, or income tax.

Its a scary thought, it really is.

Graham_Devon

dchurch24 wrote:

Probably right.

So, is there a legal angle we can take?

They can't possibly have sewn EVERY angle up, can they?

It is getting silly now, petrol is a NEED for everyone.

You'd be a better man han me to find a loophole!

The only thing I think you could do otherwise is block all petrol stations, but again, that would take major planning and major co-operation. The beauty of the blockades was that it was only 30-50 people.

I've just typed the above about the man now claiming benefits. He's now costing the tax payer, so things get more expensive, but as more and more people figure out that they actually may be better off and have their life back if they cliam benefits, things will only get more and more expensive. Add to that asylum seekers (not that I really have anything against them) uses all our services and paying nothing. Everything just get's more expensive. We've also got more and more people coming to this country to work, then taking their money back home to places like Poland and not spending the money here, which has a knock on effect, again those polish people I have nothing against and they are actually the wise ones!

I do think they have wrapped up every angle, it hurts them too much when there is no fuel duty being paid.

chris73

you need co-operation of the whole country, and that just isn't going to happen.

Exactly!, and now we reach the crux of the matter.

Do a search on this forum, and see how many times this (and similar) topics have been discussed, and then see EXACTLY what ACTION was decided on how it was going to be tackled.

Q) Was anything done back when petrol went from 80p a ltr to 90p a litre?.

A) No!, so what makes you think it will be different this time?

When petrol hits £1.50 a litre it'll still be the same old, same old.

student100

Graham_Devon wrote:

And then on top of that, we pay road tax! If you consider that every car on the road costs roughly 180 quid per year, and last time I heard, there were 40 million cars on the UK roads...well thats 7,200,000,000.

It's nowhere near £180 if you drive a fuel-efficient, low polluting car.

student100

The only thing fuel protests achieve is p***ing everyone off.

You won't be inconveniencing the fuel companies or the government, only other drivers.

rrockettman

As the major petrol companies have so much clout with the Government, if we all boycotted the big boys and only bought from supermarkets, what affect would that have?

nej

student100 wrote:

It's nowhere near £180 if you drive a fuel-efficient, low polluting car.

The problem there is buying a new car costs thousands... takes a long time to make that up in road tax savings!

nej

rrockettman wrote:

As the major petrol companies have so much clout with the Government, if we all boycotted the big boys and only bought from supermarkets, what affect would that have?

None at all. Where do you think the supermarkets get their fuel from?