Who is to blame?

Kohoutek

StevieJ wrote: »

Have you seen Thailand when they don't get their own way :eek: And the Frenchies don't take any prisoners.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI23Kar9zy4&feature=related

What's a political protest in Thailand got to do with lack of trade union militancy in China, South Korea or Taiwan? I don't see the connection....

JasonLVC

Sweey_as_a_nut wrote: »

Yes, it goes back to the 1980s, and conservative policies from them days are still haunting us now, and if you think you can alter something so fundamental as to deregulate the banks after it as been set in motion you can't. why some Tory policies even goes back to the 1960s remember Beaching and the railways. They put policies through and we have to live with them.

One I fear they might have a go at if they get in is, to sell off large parts of the BBC they could make billions on that little wheeze, and their arch supporter Murdoch would absolutely be delighted. You might think this is far fetched, but.

That's why we need to think, who to vote for

Cause and effect. As a result of the exiting Labour party, the Tories had to do radical stuff to get the country back on its feet. This caused pain and discomfort for many people.

If the exiting Labour government hadn't messed things up, the Tories may not have had to be so damaging in their actions.....and here we are again, a devasted economy and the only remedy is devastating actions once more, so if the Tories do win they'll be the one who increased VAT, cut jobs, etc. Boo Hiss.

So whilst you say "we need to think who to vote for", what you're actually saying is "don't vote Tories becuase 30 years ago Mrs T was in charge". A bit like saying "Don't shop at Tesco becuase 15 years ago they wouldn't give me a job". Talk about holding a grudge?

30 years from now, our kids will be seeing the effect of Brown's incompetence (crap pensions, clogged roas and no houses due to over-population, poor educations leading to poor manual jobs that pay peanuts)and so perhaps the right thing to do now is to vote someone (anyone) else.

Sweey_as_a_nut

Kohoutek, you are a silly Billy or you have a bad memory.

I remember Maggie saying we are going to a service economy, and to hell with manufacturing. You really need to read other papers, beside the Sun and the Daily Mail.

Kohoutek

Sweey_as_a_nut wrote: »

Kohoutek, you are a silly Billy or you have a bad memory.

I remember Maggie saying we are going to a service economy, and to hell with manufacturing. You really need to read other papers, beside the Sun and the Daily Mail.

You've got an even worse memory. You don't know that industries like coal, railways, steel etc were created and developed by the private sector. It was only Clement Attlee that nationalised them in the 1940s. The reason they were big and inefficient is because they were run by the government and the interference of the unions to oppose any modernisation.

Do you think we would have developed all our heavy industry in the 19th century if there were people like Arthur Scargill around?

aelitaman

Sweey_as_a_nut wrote: »

Kohoutek, you are a silly Billy or you have a bad memory.

I remember Maggie saying we are going to a service economy, and to hell with manufacturing. You really need to read other papers, beside the Sun and the Daily Mail.

And she was absolutley correct. She saw what the impact of technology would have on manufacturing. Why employee a person when a robot will do it for free?

British Leyland at its peak had a workforce of 30 times Honda at Swindon today and just the Honda plant at Swindon makes more cars per year than British Leyland ever did. Maggie got the Nissan, Honda, Toyota investment in this country. We had to balance our economy and maggie saw it. Stalinist Brown has ruined it once again and we have taken one step forward and two steps back, yet again.

StevieJ

aelitaman wrote: »

And she was absolutley correct. She saw what the impact of technology would have on manufacturing. Why employee a person when a robo.

She obviously wasn't aware of the onset of peak oil/gas ( I am learning AD ) and realise the future need for coal.

Sweey_as_a_nut

Kohoutek, notice you never mentioned anything about Maggie saying, we have to go to a service economy.

Very often the unions acted like clowns, however those industries were modernised. I hope when you wrote that last piece that you didn't want those industries to be run as they were before the 2nd world war.

Mr Brown you are original beyond belief.

aelitaman

StevieJ wrote: »

She obviously wasn't aware of the onset of peak oil/gas ( I am learning AD ) and realise the future need for coal.

If you can tell me the day, month, year that oil and gas is going to run out you may have a point?

Generali

Sweey_as_a_nut wrote: »

Am I right in saying that prime minister Thatcher was the one who started off the problems we have now, through the banks escaped. Did it happen or did I dream of watching her on a sunny day on the steps of 10 downing street saying, that she was going to stop bank regulation and let them manage their affairs.....

Or did I just dream it all.

Yup, it was a dream Sweey as a nut.

The current regulatory system was introduced by the Labour party. I believe that banking has been regulated since Roman times in Britain through the argentarii/mensarii system (money changers and private financiers).

Kohoutek

Sweey_as_a_nut wrote: »

Kohoutek, notice you never mentioned anything about Maggie saying, we have to go to a service economy.

Very often the unions acted like clowns, however those industries were modernised. I hope when you wrote that last piece that you didn't want those industries to be run as they were before the 2nd world war.

Why do you think the fact that Margaret Thatcher said 'we need a service economy' caused our industry to collapse? Did Margaret Thatcher have evil supernatural powers?

The reason it declined if you want to blame her is because of what she did, not what she said - the government stopped protecting and subsidising all these inefficient industries and exposed them to competition from the rest of the world - that's what destroyed them.

It because British industry wasn't competitive that Japan took over marketshare from British car manufacturers, or South Korea from British shipbuilders etc. Competition usually comes from better quality or lower prices (i.e. paying workers less).

What was wrong with the way the industries were run before the Second World War? I seem to remember Britain's railway network improved quite a lot between 1800 and 1948.