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Corporate Bonds - Still Worthwhile?

Fed up with my cash ISA, very small return, have switched completely into Corporate Bonds, adding to my already heavy position. Great profits last year, great yield, but wondering about the outlook.

Is it a bubble? Is inflation a risk?

Please reassure me.
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  • Aegis
    Aegis Posts: 5,695 Forumite
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    Mr.Brown wrote: »
    Fed up with my cash ISA, very small return, have switched completely into Corporate Bonds, adding to my already heavy position. Great profits last year, great yield, but wondering about the outlook.

    Is it a bubble? Is inflation a risk?

    Please reassure me.
    Corporate bonds have gone up quite a lot in price and reduced in yield since last year because the start of last year saw some of the lowest confidence in corporate debt in years. With cash rates currently quite low and inflation still a potential concern, I'd be wary of putting very large weightings into corporate bonds, as it's an asset class which may see reductions in capital value as the yield spread between cash accounts and corporate bonds narrows.

    As always, there's no right or wrong answer until after the fact, but be wary of too much concentration in any single asset class within your portfolio.
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  • Mr.Brown_4
    Mr.Brown_4 Posts: 1,109 Forumite
    Aegis wrote: »
    it's an asset class which may see reductions in capital value as the yield spread between cash accounts and corporate bonds narrows.
    That is my concern, but for now outweighed because I am utterly sick of the .5% interest my Fidlity cash ISA has been paying. I am hoping that any expected change in interest rates - ie. up, or inflation outlook - will be flagged up ahead of it happening and allow me enough time, if necessary, to cash in some bonds at that point and perhaps target mortgage.

    I am not a particularly 'active' investor, but I just couldn't stand the low interest rates any longer.
  • JamesU
    JamesU Posts: 1,060 Forumite
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    Mr.Brown wrote: »
    That is my concern, but for now outweighed because I am utterly sick of the .5% interest my Fidlity cash ISA has been paying. I am hoping that any expected change in interest rates - ie. up, or inflation outlook - will be flagged up ahead of it happening and allow me enough time, if necessary, to cash in some bonds at that point and perhaps target mortgage.

    I am not a particularly 'active' investor, but I just couldn't stand the low interest rates any longer.

    Or how about an inflation proofed portfolio? Interesting article in link below, to be taken with a pinch of salt of course. And should somebody start digging about the merits of gold, there is a component in the example portfolio.....

    http://www.investorschronicle.co.uk/InvestmentGuides/Funds/article/20091124/a720d44c-d840-11de-99a4-00144f2af8e8/An-inflationproof-portfolio.jsp

    JamesU
  • JamesU
    JamesU Posts: 1,060 Forumite
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    Aegis wrote: »
    Corporate bonds have gone up quite a lot in price and reduced in yield since last year because the start of last year saw some of the lowest confidence in corporate debt in years. With cash rates currently quite low and inflation still a potential concern, I'd be wary of putting very large weightings into corporate bonds, as it's an asset class which may see reductions in capital value as the yield spread between cash accounts and corporate bonds narrows.

    As always, there's no right or wrong answer until after the fact, but be wary of too much concentration in any single asset class within your portfolio.

    And further to what Aegis has already said, I really liked the overview in the article below on potential pitfalls with corporate bonds right now. Worth a read.

    http://www.investorschronicle.co.uk/InvestmentGuides/Funds/article/20100215/eedf794a-17cf-11df-b0bd-0015171400aa/On-the-defensive.jsp

    JamesU
  • King_Weasel
    King_Weasel Posts: 4,381 Forumite
    Mr.Brown wrote: »
    I am utterly sick of the .5% interest my Fidlity cash ISA has been paying.

    So you should be. But consider the best cash ISAs along with possible alternatives to cash. A lot might depend on how likely you are to need the cash in the next few years.
    However hard up you are, never accept loans from your friends. Just gifts
  • jamesd
    jamesd Posts: 26,103 Forumite
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    No reassurance on bond funds or gilts from me. I'm more interested in avoiding them than buying them. Bond funds in the strategic bond sector, non-UK bond funds or equity income funds seem more sensible to me with a prospect of both inflation and interest rate rises that could reduce capital value.
  • oldfella
    oldfella Posts: 1,534 Forumite
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    I have gone for equity income funds this year.
  • JamesU
    JamesU Posts: 1,060 Forumite
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    jamesd wrote: »
    No reassurance on bond funds or gilts from me. I'm more interested in avoiding them than buying them. Bond funds in the strategic bond sector, non-UK bond funds or equity income funds seem more sensible to me with a prospect of both inflation and interest rate rises that could reduce capital value.

    I am in complete agreement with all of this too.

    JamesU
  • Jake'sGran
    Jake'sGran Posts: 3,269 Forumite
    oldfella wrote: »
    I have gone for equity income funds this year.

    I did this last year and the year before but have been worrying lately that Neil Woodford is having a mid life crisis. His two funds are well down the performance table. Got to stick with it for a while I suppose.
  • jamesd
    jamesd Posts: 26,103 Forumite
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    No mid life crisis, just a deliberate view taken that he didn't trust the recovery last year and put protecting people's money ahead of trying for growth. For those who used a FTSE tracker last year to get the growth it's interesting to consider switching to one of his funds now to reduce the drop potential. Well worth remembering that he runs some of the biggest and most popular funds in the UK and knows that a lot of people have their retirement money with him, with a desire that he protects it.

    I don't suggest using his funds so much if you're a short term optimist about more stock market price growth and want to gain from that if it happens.
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