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The_White_Horse

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

All the better for them.



Isn't Top Gear, one of the BBC's most popular programmes here and abroad, (inexplicably to my jaded eyes) fronted by the epitome of middle class, right wing, disgusted of Tonbridge Wells in Jeremy Clarkson?

he is a one off. being the beeb, they need to be impartial. they do that by having 9000 lefties and clarkson to balance them out

System

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

All the better for them.



Isn't Top Gear, one of the BBC's most popular programmes here and abroad, (inexplicably to my jaded eyes) fronted by the epitome of middle class, right wing, disgusted of Tonbridge Wells in Jeremy Clarkson?

Tunbridge Wells! How dare you!

That's where I am right now, spooky.

Cleaver

thetrampledtaxpayer wrote: »

Dear Cleaver - that's true. But Ben Elton wasn't the only one. How many right-of-centre standups have been given airtime by the BBC? Or were invited to No.10? You'll probably prove me wrong, but in my view - not many at all.

Just to emphasise what I said the other day - no one aside from a few people on the internet care about this issue. Maybe they did in 1988, but not anymore. No one sits around and goes, 'ooh, I notice the BBC have 60% left wing comedians on this week'. People don't give a stuff, or even notice whether people are right-wing or left-wing anymore do they?

Comedy, mostly, is about bashing whoever is in positions of power. There are a number of topical, satirical shows on the BBC that basically just savage everyone, but especially those in power. Have I Got News For You, Newswipe, Rory Bremner, The Now Show, The Day Today... there's loads that just basically swipe at power, authority and the status quo. Are these shows lefty? They're not really anything as far as I can see. It's not left or right. Rhod Gilbert, Paul Merton, Bill Bailey, Vic Reeves, Ricky Gervais, Harry Hill, Johnny Vegas, Steve Coogan, Eddie Izzard, Peter Kay, Dara O'Briain, Omid Djalili... these are all modern comedians who have done stuff (some of it stand up) on the BBC. Do people class them as right or left wing? Do people need to put them in right or left wing catagories? When Rhod Gilbert is doing a bit of stand up on finding fluff in his belly button is that him supporting Labour or Conservative? No one cares!

Are people in the real world still even left wing or right wing anyway? They are terms that don't really mean much to the younger generation as people tend to mix and match their views. I have a lot of views that some would consider very lefty, and some that might be considering right wing (and I mean that in a conservative, traditional way, not in a racist, intolerant way).

Tell a 25 year old that the BBC has a left wing bias and they'll just look at you gone out. Who cares or even notices? Who lets it effects their life?

Let's get some perspective. You pay a small fraction of your income on the BBC. You surf their sites, laugh at a couple of comedies, watch a few documentaries and then get on with life. No one cares about this supposed right / left rubbish or the 'TV tax' in the real world. Just weird inernet characatures like White Horse going on about '9000 lefties'. Come on now.

Sorry, bit of a rant there.

Graham_Devon

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

All the better for them.



Isn't Top Gear, one of the BBC's most popular programmes here and abroad, (inexplicably to my jaded eyes) fronted by the epitome of middle class, right wing, disgusted of Tonbridge Wells in Jeremy Clarkson?

Fronted by 3 of em. Don't think you could call May a right winger, or Hammond.

Cleaver

The_White_Horse wrote: »

you have to be a lefty to get on in the media.

In think in the 2010 you have to be innovative, creative, talented and resourceful to get on in the media. Seems a very cutthroat world out there to me where anyone can have a blog and be a journo and anyone can have a flickr and become a photographer. You bascially have to be good to get anywhere - dunno if it has much to do with right / left.

Oh, and you also have to have those silly, stylish glasses. You know the ones.

MiserlyMartin

Australia. Is that where that Ben Elton went? I often wondered why the man wasn't on TV doing his act again, as surely he must feel betrayed when things are now 1000 times worse as it ever was in the early 90's under Maggie/Major. Even worse than the last Labour rule.

Yes Brown has created a block of voters who consist of

BBC
Public sector workers (especially those in non - jobs.)
Immigrants
Spongers
the 'ethnic' vote
Scots
... feel free to continue.

And where is Spitting Image?

Prudent

MiserlyMartin wrote: »

Yes Brown has created a block of voters who consist of

BBC
Public sector workers (especially those in non - jobs.)
Immigrants
Spongers
the 'ethnic' vote
Scots
... feel free to continue.

And where is Spitting Image?

I am a Scottish public sector worker. I have no intention of voting for them. Unless they take my class and 'another new initiative with lots of targets' paperwork mountain away and give me a non - job of course

toby3000

MiserlyMartin wrote: »

Yes Brown has created a block of voters who consist of

BBC
Public sector workers (especially those in non - jobs.)
Immigrants
Spongers
the 'ethnic' vote
Scots
... feel free to continue.

And where is Spitting Image?

Have the number of public sector workers actually increased enough to sway an election? Having worked in the civil service I can tell you that very few people expressed any interest in politics and even fewer made any link between who was in power and the future of their job.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'immigrants' but unless you're a UK citizen you cannot vote


Ofcourse any assumption that people are herds of unthinking groups is completely thoughtless, but there you go

The_White_Horse

Cleaver wrote: »

Just to emphasise what I said the other day - no one aside from a few people on the internet care about this issue. Maybe they did in 1988, but not anymore. No one sits around and goes, 'ooh, I notice the BBC have 60% left wing comedians on this week'. People don't give a stuff, or even notice whether people are right-wing or left-wing anymore do they?

Comedy, mostly, is about bashing whoever is in positions of power. There are a number of topical, satirical shows on the BBC that basically just savage everyone, but especially those in power. Have I Got News For You, Newswipe, Rory Bremner, The Now Show, The Day Today... there's loads that just basically swipe at power, authority and the status quo. Are these shows lefty? They're not really anything as far as I can see. It's not left or right. Rhod Gilbert, Paul Merton, Bill Bailey, Vic Reeves, Ricky Gervais, Harry Hill, Johnny Vegas, Steve Coogan, Eddie Izzard, Peter Kay, Dara O'Briain, Omid Djalili... these are all modern comedians who have done stuff (some of it stand up) on the BBC. Do people class them as right or left wing? Do people need to put them in right or left wing catagories? When Rhod Gilbert is doing a bit of stand up on finding fluff in his belly button is that him supporting Labour or Conservative? No one cares!

Are people in the real world still even left wing or right wing anyway? They are terms that don't really mean much to the younger generation as people tend to mix and match their views. I have a lot of views that some would consider very lefty, and some that might be considering right wing (and I mean that in a conservative, traditional way, not in a racist, intolerant way).

Tell a 25 year old that the BBC has a left wing bias and they'll just look at you gone out. Who cares or even notices? Who lets it effects their life?

Let's get some perspective. You pay a small fraction of your income on the BBC. You surf their sites, laugh at a couple of comedies, watch a few documentaries and then get on with life. No one cares about this supposed right / left rubbish or the 'TV tax' in the real world. Just weird inernet characatures like White Horse going on about '9000 lefties'. Come on now.

Sorry, bit of a rant there.

you normally speak sense, but you are incredibly naive on this one. if any comedian mentions they vote tory, they are finished. you must be left wing, you must read the guardian. the bbc is horrendously biased to labour. the tragedy is, as you say, most 20 year olds don't even realise they are being brainwashed by pravda, i mean bbc.

they even start brain washing kids on basil brush by calling the horrible candidate in the school election "dave" and making his party colour "blue".

riddled with lefty cancer from top to bottom.

the one thing i do agree with you on, whole heartedly, is that you must have trendy glasses as well. a left wing bias is not enough. you need thick framed black glasses, and preferably a suit jacket over jeans and a scarf.

Cleaver

The_White_Horse wrote: »

you normally speak sense, but you are incredibly naive on this one. if any comedian mentions they vote tory, they are finished. you must be left wing, you must read the guardian. the bbc is horrendously biased to labour. the tragedy is, as you say, most 20 year olds don't even realise they are being brainwashed by pravda, i mean bbc.

People in their twenties are probably the most media savy and aware generation that there has ever been. They are very switched on to viral media, bias and corporate messages. Of course they know when they are being 'brainwashed'. I'll repeat myself again: most people watch the BBC for a couple of hours of entertainment. That's it.

The_White_Horse wrote: »

they even start brain washing kids on basil brush by calling the horrible candidate in the school election "dave" and making his party colour "blue".

Leaving aside from the fact that Basil Brush hasn't really been on TV for 15 years, are you aware of what you're saying here and how mental it sounds?

The_White_Horse wrote: »

riddled with lefty cancer from top to bottom.

I think you have issues.