Payoffs for council bosses average £256,104

Andy_L

Kohoutek wrote: »

It's old news.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1508474/26pc-of-council-tax-goes-on-public-pensions.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/pensions/4838998/One-fifth-of-council-tax-goes-on-local-authority-final-salary-pensions.html

Between 20-25%, presumably depending on the performance of investments. Plenty of other articles that detail this.

However it does assume that council tax is the only souce of council funding which is, basically, bollox so its another example of "lies, damn lies & statistics"

Kohoutek

The only point I was making is that 25% of council tax goes towards local authority pension schemes. I know that councils are funded by central government too - but take a guess where that money ultimately comes from....

chucky

Kohoutek wrote: »

The only point I was making is that 25% of council tax goes towards local authority pension schemes. I know that councils are funded by central government too - but take a guess where that money ultimately comes from....

so how much of an effect does this have as far as employees go?

chucky wrote: »

it's scandalous whatever the amount but it has to be paid i guess.
37 severance payments out of how many councils?

Spartacus_Mills

Kohoutek wrote: »

I'm not angry, I'm just laughing at how stupid you and fellow Labour sidekick are...:rotfl::rotfl: Do you follow each other around this forum just to thank each others posts! :rotfl::rotfl:

My bins are being emptied fine mate....am I not allowed to criticise council executives with huge payoffs? I thought we lived in a free country....

Yes you are and you are right to do so. The fact that we get our bins emptied and our street lighting working does not make what we have to pay to these councils value for money. We also should have the right to challenge waste and excess. Even Labour are talking about cutting waste and excess in the public sector. This is waste and excess they have allowed to run rampant over the last few years.

Spartacus_Mills

chucky wrote: »

how would it work in the private sector?

I can only recount from my own personal experience of senior managers who have been got rid of and generally they are put onto gardening leave to stop them taking up a job with a competitor. For instance a couple of senior managers at a rail fleet maintainer I worked for were put on garden leave for their notice period (6 months) as the business wanted rid of them and they did not want them to join a rival although given their total and utter incompetence that would not have been a bad thing. :rotfl:

With a council it is different as they are not competing directly. If a council Chief Exec is dismissed in, say Rochdale, and wants to go to, say, Gloucester then there is no potential commercial conflict of interest that I can see.

Spartacus_Mills

Kohoutek wrote: »

The only point I was making is that 25% of council tax goes towards local authority pension schemes. I know that councils are funded by central government too - but take a guess where that money ultimately comes from....

We are going to have a situation where people who work in the private sector will see the value of their pensions in the future being eroded due to the holes in the pension schemes finances with no ability to fill them. As it is the PPS is already forecast to be £1Bn in deficit given companies are just dumping their schemes into it (as per BBC Radio 4 report last week). These same taxpayers are then expected to fund the deficit in the public sector pensions simply because they can call on the taxpayer. That is not going to be sustainable.

chucky

Spartacus_Mills wrote: »

Yes you are and you are right to do so. The fact that we get our bins emptied and our street lighting working does not make what we have to pay to these councils value for money. We also should have the right to challenge waste and excess. Even Labour are talking about cutting waste and excess in the public sector. This is waste and excess they have allowed to run rampant over the last few years.

you are right but i don't know how we avoid this hence my comment about contractual obligations in the public and private sectors.

it's a big amount but how many employees is 37 out of how many?
what savings were made by the severance pay - saving on pensions, saving on being paid whilst on gardening leave etc...
how does this compare to the private sector?

without seeing the comparison it's seeing a big amount and saying that's too big without knowing the basis for it and comes across as frothing. i'm not denying that the public sector spends it's budget perfectly btw.

daveyjp

Based on Andy L posting I though I'd dig into the headline grabbing 26% figure.

Only 15% of my local Council Income comes from Council Tax.

26% of the 15% Council Tax gives 4% of Council income used for pensions, but a headline of "4% of Council income is being spent on local authority pensions" doesn't bring out Mr Angry.

chucky

chucky wrote: »

you are right but i don't know how we avoid this hence my comment about contractual obligations in the public and private sectors.

it's a big amount but how many employees is 37 out of how many?
what savings were made by the severance pay - saving on pensions, saving on being paid whilst on gardening leave etc...
how does this compare to the private sector?

without seeing the comparison it's seeing a big amount and saying that's too big without knowing the basis for it and comes across as frothing. i'm not denying that the public sector spends it's budget perfectly btw.

nicely avoided and not wanting to answer on this Kokonut?

Kohoutek

[QUOTE=chucky;30960925it's a big amount but how many employees is 37 out of how many?
what savings were made by the severance pay - saving on pensions, saving on being paid whilst on gardening leave etc...
how does this compare to the private sector?[/QUOTE]

chucky wrote: »

nicely avoided and not wanting to answer on this Kokonut?

Because I didn't write the report?

How do expect me to know the details of how much was saved on pensions, moron? :rotfl:

Why don't you do the research yourself if it's such a burning issue for you...

It's a study of all 37 council chief executives that left by "mutual agreement" between January 2007 and September 2009. I've no idea how many left for other reasons - I don't work for the government mate.