Nice people thread 2 - now even nicer

lostinrates

vivatifosi wrote: »

Ooh lir, can't wait for an update on the terrier. If its nails are long my guess is it doesn't get walked very often, so maybe belongs to an old person and got out. Need to know the answer...

I know, I'm guessing I've been forgotten. . And old person might just well be right. Its nails were't that long, but not road worn.

vivatifosi

lostinrates wrote: »

I know, I'm guessing I've been forgotten.

Then you need to get onto the lady of the manor and tell her you have lots of pixels needing to know the answer. That will be guaranteed to confuse.

fc123

lostinrates wrote: »

Really, FC...what do YOUR legs do when you lie down? Or Gingers?

Mainly horses lie either flat on their sides with all four legs out in front...like they were standing IYSWIM, or sit/lie on tummies, a bit like a cat on a window sill. Their legs don't curl up quite the same though. Watching a horse get up/lie down or when they roll always makes me laugh: they are so unnoble, or fleet, or anything we think of as ''horsey'' while doing those things.

It was more the not standing up that worried me. Grumpy old girl is not a cuddly horse, it wouldn't have surprised me if special girl hadn't stood up, but grumpy girl is less trusting, many owners never get near any of their horses laying down. Its a big sign of either trust or illness generally! Knowing grumpy girl I was sure it was illness. :rotfl:

Self build can't START for three years. That is the'' law ''of ag. planning. Also, have to show serious profit within that time to get permission to build at all. This is the catch 22, eg, moving stock to somewhere you are not, you are leaing a lot of valuable ''stuff'' alone...wih horse businesses even harder....noone wants their horse to go somewhere where there are limited facilities and certaonly noone living on site. Its not usual for common or garden ponies to be worth 5 figure sums now (or to be sold at that value of not actually ''worth it''). who wants to leave somethin so valuable at a place where noone is....outside, or locked in a stable, ripe for anyone to arrive in a lorry at 2 in the morning, load up and drive away with it? Its very scary, and no small issue in making a business with some equine income viable.

edit: the lips curling back is a flehmen.....have you ever seen Ginger do smell face after a wash? Sort of holding his mouth open a little and looking a little cross? That's he same thing. Crudely, its a way of smelling /sensing things better. If you don't want horses to do it don't give them unusual things to eat or change your perfume too often, lol

I am sure I read a long time ago that horses never sit or lie down? Like the one that sharks never stop and are always moving 24/7. Is it a myth?

This living away from the land bit is sounding very complicated.
So it's a bit chicken and egg?
You have to eastablish the business and prove it's profitability before you can build a house on it but to get it profitable and, for customers to trust you, you treally need to be living on it from day 1?
How about 2 X mobile homes...they can be goners (so cheap) as they won't need to drive anywhere...just got to tow them to the spot. Then you can have one to sleep in and one as a living space? I guess you could dig a cess pit and then you just have to get running water installed...maybe a bit of elec too?

I am I on the wrong wavelength here?

lostinrates

vivatifosi wrote: »

Then you need to get onto the lady of the manor and tell her you have lots of pixels needing to know the answer. That will be guaranteed to confuse.

I'll call her in the morning.

I wouldn't have minded keeping the terrier till its own ''mum'' or ''dad'' was located, but dog-dog would have been very upset with me.

fc123

lostinrates wrote: »

Self build can't START for three years. That is the'' law ''of ag. planning. Also, have to show serious profit within that time to get permission to build at all.

Do you know what 'serious profit' is by their rules? You could run through some of OH's salary?..I know you would have to pay tax twice but is it not an option?
The planning l=rule on Polytunnels? Any way of building a polythene type tent home that could get around the planning laws...like it's a polytunnel but we sleep in it. Sounds daft but, you know, creative thinking and all that.?

lostinrates

fc123 wrote: »

I am sure I read a long time ago that horses never sit or lie down? Like the one that sharks never stop and are always moving 24/7. Is it a myth?

This living away from the land bit is sounding very complicated.
So it's a bit chicken and egg?
You have to eastablish the business and prove it's profitability before you can build a house on it but to get it profitable and, for customers to trust you, you treally need to be living on it from day 1?
How about 2 X mobile homes...they can be goners (so cheap) as they won't need to drive anywhere...just got to tow them to the spot. Then you can have one to sleep in and one as a living space? I guess you could dig a cess pit and then you just have to get running water installed...maybe a bit of elec too?

I am I on the wrong wavelength here?

You've hit the nail on the head with the problems of the business. The solution isn't quite as straightforward.

Most small rural enterprises are ''diversified''. I have three main strings to my rural bow able to pull out at a hat, one ''tradotional ag'' one traditional rural (now counted as ag, but....its what I should be doing now, and don't want to say on open forum what it is ) and then equine. Further, I would like two expand later to three less traditional diversifications. The trick is to have a steady trickle. But for the latter three I need more facilities still, thank fully I have already the skills.


The profit making issue is not just the accommodation, its the buildings you need for the diversification. Its all a bit...complicated.

But, yes, this chicken egg thing is the real issue, and the source of much dishonesty in many poeple.....by ''necessity''. It seems to be the necessity is not to break/bend the rules, but to make the rules right......but there is only me arguing that!:o

lostinrates

fc123 wrote: »

Do you know what 'serious profit' is by their rules? You could run through some of OH's salary?..I know you would have to pay tax twice but is it not an option?
The planning l=rule on Polytunnels? Any way of building a polythene type tent home that could get around the planning laws...like it's a polytunnel but we sleep in it. Sounds daft but, you know, creative thinking and all that.?

Yes, exactly.

You are allowed one barn and one poly per year IIRC in the first three years in the expectation of planning being realised. {roblem is.....I can't make a real profit with one barn!

Also the work cannot be seasonal. Most of my diversification are seasonal, but not one season....ie, one would be ending/changing now, one starting, then as that drops another would pick up more.....

lostinrates

oh re horses not lieing down...what you probably heard is that horses sleep standing up...which is a partial truth. To have REM sleep horses must lie down. but they can have the lighter stages of sleep upright.

fc123

lostinrates wrote: »

Yes, exactly.

You are allowed one barn and one poly per year IIRC in the first three years in the expectation of planning being realised. {roblem is.....I can't make a real profit with one barn!

Also the work cannot be seasonal. Most of my diversification are seasonal, but not one season....ie, one would be ending/changing now, one starting, then as that drops another would pick up more.....

Not seasonal? Who made that one up? A pen pusher who lives 12 months a year in a controlled environment maybe.

Without disclosing too much....is this land just 'sitting ' there idle at the mo? Does it have a value as just land or is it used for other agri puropses...like growing cabbages and fields for cows? Be patient with me, I am a city girl.:)

fc123

lostinrates wrote: »

oh re horses not lieing down...what you probably heard is that horses sleep standing up...which is a partial truth. To have REM sleep horses must lie down. but they can have the lighter stages of sleep upright.

....I am guessing sharks are out of your expertise?:D