Child's car seat to be replaced following accident

mikey72

alleycat` wrote: »

OP - press for the full amount of an exact replacement if that is the seat you are happy with for your vehicle.

I'm curious (as an aside) on what price has to do with anything in the safety argument.

The seats have to comply with certain standards -
ECE R44.03 and ECE R44.04

The price doesn't have anything to do with this as even the cheapest seats on the market still have to comply with these regulations (in the uk).

The cheapest seats will pass, but a dearer seat will be more comfortable as the padding is usually better, covers are removeable for washing, belts are easier to fit, and adjustment is better across the range.
The crash tests are specific, so it is possible to design a seat that will pass the test, and fit the test bed, but not be as good in a different scenario, whereas a better seat will perform better under a variety of different conditions. Having said that, a cheaper seat is vastly better than non at all.

vaio

alleycat` wrote: »

OP - press for the full amount of an exact replacement if that is the seat you are happy with for your vehicle.

I'm curious (as an aside) on what price has to do with anything in the safety argument.

The seats have to comply with certain standards -
ECE R44.03 and ECE R44.04

The price doesn't have anything to do with this as even the cheapest seats on the market still have to comply with these regulations (in the uk).

True, but they are minimum standards and I suppose more expensive seats exceed the minimum standard by a bigger margin and so are safer.

Same sort of thing as the NCAP crash tests, all cars have to meet the minimum but I'd rather have an accident in a 4 star Audi than a 1 star KIA

Kurtis_Blue

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petrolhead69

You shouldn`t let up in pressuring them to pay the full value for your seats, you had an accident through no fault of your own and suffered loss the third partys insurance MUST make you whole again. no exceptions. I know they are leeches but you should maybe contact one of these accident claims solicitors that get their fees from the third party to act as an advocate for you.

When a pensioner who was having a senior moment ran into the back of my first 7 series bmw at red lights because he didnt see me sitting there in my tiny invisible car his insurers would only give me a 1.2 corsa hire car because I was 21 at the time. The car was very badly damaged as he never even attempted to brake and shunted my 2 odd ton car very far with his metro and it took months to repair and they expected me to fit 5 adults and luggage in a corsa and I was to be greatful that I was even getting a hire car!. I was only after a base model vectra or mondeo sized car, I wasn`t being unreasonable about it but they said I couldn`t get a proper car unless I was over 25.

No amount of reasoning would change their position until I contacted a claims solicitor who immediately got me upgraded to a very nice automatic volvo v70 with leather and of a similar quality as my own car. They also got his insurers to replace my amp and sub boot install which was damaged but they initially didn't want to know plus I got paid the 2 days wages I lost in dealing with it by the insurers too. I realise they push premiums up with dubious injury claims but when an insurer is trying to wriggle out of their legal responsibilities they can be useful, and as the victim you are entitled to have all your losses made whole

Exemplar

Having rolled our Megane 3 times today before if went up in the air and landed on it roof I say the following: I will be replacing our Isofix seat.... Reasons? As its Isofix and attached to the 'metal' of the car I cannot be sure of any internal damage or flex damage done to the seat.

alleycat`

vaio wrote: »

True, but they are minimum standards and I suppose more expensive seats exceed the minimum standard by a bigger margin and so are safer.

Same sort of thing as the NCAP crash tests, all cars have to meet the minimum but I'd rather have an accident in a 4 star Audi than a 1 star KIA

I kind of take your point but i seem to recall that the original freelander cost a damn site more than a fiesta of the same age but the freelander had a poorer NCAP rating.

I'm not always convinced that price =='s better in a safety sense.

Do they publish the crash tests for baby / toddler / infant seats and are there additional marks they can get above and beyond the minimum standard or just what the manufacturer claim can be withstood?

vaio

I vaguely remember reading that range/free/land rovers were subject to different standards to cars so you could well be right about that.

Dunno about seat tests, but I’d be surprised if the results weren’t on the web somewhere, problem might be that manufacturers probably update seats more often then cars so comparison testing would be expensive and quickly out of date

KeithP

alcot33uk wrote: »

As its Isofix and attached to the 'metal' of the car I cannot be sure of any internal damage or flex damage done to the seat.

But can you be sure that the integrity of the Isofix mountings in the car have not been compromised?

Clearly the 'metal of the car' must be condemned.

:beer:

DirectDebacle

Pew_Pew_Pew_Lasers! wrote: »

So come on, if these seats are so easily damaged in minor collisions, please do show me an instance. Or the results of tests. Do that, and I'll happily change my view.

This is the current legislation and guidelines on child safety seats.

http://applications.doeni.gov.uk/publications/document.asp?docid=12732

The Road Safety Branch at the D.O.E. recommend following the manufacturers recommendations in respect of seats fitted when an accident/collision occurs.

I do not possess this information. You may wish to contact the various manufacturers, ask them what they recommend under such circumstances and also to provide the research data that they base their recommendations on. You can check their findings by commissioning your own research.

When you have the evidence to support your claims, come back here and post it.

Do that and I'll happily change my view.

Pew_Pew_Pew_Lasers!

DirectDebacle wrote: »

This is the current legislation and guidelines on child safety seats.

http://applications.doeni.gov.uk/publications/document.asp?docid=12732

The Road Safety Branch at the D.O.E. recommend following the manufacturers recommendations in respect of seats fitted when an accident/collision occurs.

I do not possess this information. You may wish to contact the various manufacturers, ask them what they recommend under such circumstances and also to provide the research data that they base their recommendations on. You can check their findings by commissioning your own research.

When you have the evidence to support your claims, come back here and post it.

Do that and I'll happily change my view.

"Follow the manufacturer's instructions" - in other words, they DOE have not the slightest clue as to the safety of child seats following a collision, which means that they're either criminally negligent (as some here might posit), or it's a complete non-issue.

Still waiting for evidence of these dangerous child seats.