Pushed out?

thunderflash2004

I am currently facing redundancy. I have been working as a security guard for 5 years at my current job. We have had a shift that has remained uncovered for 2 years now, it is usually covered by relief officers.

Just recently another guard from a site that closed down was given the spare shift at my site, even though cuts will be made at my site and staffing levels eventually reduced.

This guard has been with the company longer than me, but I feel it is unfair that he should stay at the site I work at as he has only just started here and I have been working here for 5 years and built up a report with the staff and know the procedures and requirements.

Is this right that my company can move someone into a shift that will be cut to safeguard his job and push me out of mine?

Is there any legal proceedings that may help if I seek to take out an appeal?

thunderflash2004

anyone got any advice on this one?

WeakHeart

Think we would need more information for anyone to help further

Do you both work for the same firm?
Was he made redundant when the last site closed?
How do you know that his job is safe when yours is not?
What stage are you at in the redundancy process?

thunderflash2004

Do you both work for the same firm? Yes
Was he made redundant when the last site closed? No the company just found him alternative work before sending him to cover the shift at my site
How do you know that his job is safe when yours is not? He has been with the company longer than I have, since he has more term of service, he would more likely be kept on
What stage are you at in the redundancy process? I have received two letters and a break down of what I would receive should I be made redundant, I have a consultation meeting this wednesday. My manager has also emailed me a grievance form and asked me to complete it.

I feel that the company has been underhanded when the shift that they moved the transfering officer into has been vacant for a while, it has always been covered with relief officers and I feel as the shifts will be reduced due to the cuts in manning levels then that shift should not have been filled, but covered on a temporary basis by relief officers until they no longer require them. The fact that they have moved him here and that he has a longer term of service than I have has just put my job at risk, before he came I would have been one of the remaining officers as I had 5 years service.

Hope you can see my frustration here

melou

As I understand it LIFO (Last In First Out) is no longer a valid selection criteria for redundancy as it can be argued that it discriminates against younger workers.

Have you asked for/seen your selection criteria?
Have you asked for a peer to peer comparison of scores (these won't have names on)?
Have you seen the proposed new shift structure (which will show how many officers are required per site)

It seems that you don't actually know this guy will be kept on but are assuming that he will based on length of service. Is your union rep attending the meeting with you?

thunderflash2004

melou wrote: »

As I understand it LIFO (Last In First Out) is no longer a valid selection criteria for redundancy as it can be argued that it discriminates against younger workers.

Have you asked for/seen your selection criteria?
Have you asked for a peer to peer comparison of scores (these won't have names on)?
Have you seen the proposed new shift structure (which will show how many officers are required per site)

It seems that you don't actually know this guy will be kept on but are assuming that he will based on length of service. Is your union rep attending the meeting with you?

I haven't asked any of the above yet, will definately ask at the meeting tomorrow and yes my union rep will be present. I have been told that length of service with the company is one of the main criteria when they are selecting who to keep, so with that in mind that is why I have been assuming this other guard will be kept on.

I have seen a doctor too as I am suffering from depression and stress caused by the restructuring process and the fact that there hasn't been any clear cut communication, the fact that I am attending a consultation meeting tomorrow is only due to me requesting one.

RobertoMoir

thunderflash2004 wrote: »

The fact that they have moved him here and that he has a longer term of service than I have has just put my job at risk, before he came I would have been one of the remaining officers as I had 5 years service.

Surely if there is a redundancy issue then your job has always been at risk since the start of that process. They more than likely could just as easily have left him where he was, made one of you redundant and transferred the other one to the site where work was needed. Presumably you're both "Security Guards" so its the same job wherever you're posted?

It's the job that gets made redundant, not the person - e.g. a manager isn't supposed to say "Fred's job is redundant but Julie's is ok because she's been here longer" or "just 'cos I like her" if they're both doing the same job, instead they have to say they are overstaffed in "Contrived Example in Roberto's Forum's Posts" department and go through a selection process to reduce the number of staff in that role down to the amount they now need by a fair and transparent method.

jazzyman01

LIFO is only used now as a Breaker when all other criteria is equal this is because of the Age Discrimination Act.