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'If service is included why isn’t it in the bill?' blog discussion
edited 8 February 2010 at 11:37AM in Martin's blogs & appearances & MoneySavingExpert in the news
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You'd still be able to tip for exceptional service, where the waiting staff had gone above and beyond.
I hate it when they put service charge on the bill.
I have no option but to pay it, the whole amount!.
Cause I normally use card to pay.
I would normally leave tips anyway, especially when the people there are nice.
But, when they are not nice, then you are forced to leave a "big tip".. argh!
Would be very happy if there is a regulation not to include tips on the bill.
It should be voluntary anyway, it's a tip, isnt it?
So if the kitchen staff are slow, how do you tip just the waiter/waitress and not the kitchen staff? Most places tips are pooled.
And I think many restaurant prices are already high enough. Just as waiting staff in an expensive restaurant can be paid low wages, so can a taxi driver. A taxi fare is not pure profit for the driver, just as the money paid for a meal is nto pure profit for the waiting staff.
When you say you were in France, I didn't happen to see you in the ski resort of Morzine last week did I? I thought it was you but didn't want to disturb your holiday.
What happens if you don't pay for service? Do you have to fetch it yourself? Do your own washing up afterwards? Might as well cook it myself too - I could do that in the comfort of my own home for a lot less money.
I tend not to tip, because the waiter/ress is already getting paid to take orders and bring the food to the table (remember that they must be paid at least the minimum wage and that tips are no longer allowed to be counted as "pay").
If the service has been exceptional, i.e. they've done something above and beyond their normal job, then of course I will leave a tip.
Taking this concept to the extreme, should we start tipping staff in the supermarket for bringing goods from the warehouse and putting them on the shelves for us?
As for the tip, looking both ways before crossing the road is generally a good tip...
This really annoys me too. Recently I was in a chinese all-you-can-eat buffet place in North West London, the staff had been really rude to us and not at all helpful, so I told them we wouldn't be paying the service charge that appeared on the bill. They told me I had to, I pointed out that actually service charges are optional, and I was told - get this - if I didn't want to pay service, I had to tell them in advance! If I said in advance that I wasn't going to tip, was I going to get an even worse service?!
Tipping should be completely optional - and not the norm. I don't tip in hairdressers, taxi cabs, regular shops, trains etc, no-one has yet said why Waiters/waitresses or bar staff should be tipped?
As for big groups, the reason that historically service was included, was because the chances of getting service out of a big group is that much lower because of the opportunity to free-ride: no-one knows if it was you or the other person that didn't put the extra tip in, and if you don't someone else can always do it. However, now that tipping isn't part of "pay" and is effectively a bonus, there should be no more need for it.
Must save time as well as money!