Should employer pay overnight expense?

ninky_2

btw - even if you have signed an 'opt out' of the working times regulations then you can give notice to opt back in again. your employer is not allowed to dismiss you for this. however, be careful. because if you have been with them for less than a year they can dismiss you without recourse to a tribunal anyway without having to give a decent reason.

timnicebutdim_2

rupee99 wrote: »

The suggestion was to claim mileage, but not actually do the travelling and use the money to stay in a hotel. That would be fraudulent.

Expenses are a REIMBURSEMENT in compensation for monies spent on a specific item, they are not like your wages.

Agreed, expenses are a reimbursement, the point i was making is you can spend your reimbursed expenses in any way you like, just like your wages.

Anyway..... now the mileage question has been cleared up, and as ohreally/Ckerrd has suggested the working time regulations route, how about looking at this from a health & safety angle? For example, has your employer done a risk assessment?

Further info here: http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/INDG382.pdf

rupee99

timnicebutdim wrote: »

Agreed, expenses are a reimbursement, the point i was making is you can spend your reimbursed expenses in any way you like, just like your wages.

I don't think you get the point, if the OP had done as you suggested, i.e. claimed mileage but spent the money on a hotel, he is not being reimbursed he is making a false claim. However as he cannot claim mileage anyway it does not matter in this case.

timnicebutdim_2

rupee99 wrote: »

I don't think you get the point, if the OP had done as you suggested, i.e. claimed mileage but spent the money on a hotel, he is not being reimbursed he is making a false claim. However as he cannot claim mileage anyway it does not matter in this case.

Ok, not that it matters any more but I’ll give it one last go:

- I claim 100 miles from my employer (that I’ve actually travelled in my own car using my own petrol) @ 40p per mile.
- £40 is reimbursed into my personal current account
- I then spend my £40 on whatever I like; whether it be a hotel, 40 packs of jaffa cakes or a subscription to Razz monthly.

No fraud, no obtaining property by deception etc etc… These are the type of expense claims I process everyday at work.

The End.

getmore4less

slinkykev wrote: »

The stupid thing is that I can prove it is the same price, or even marginally cheaper for me to stay in a hotel compared to the cost of fuel driving each day. Yet the company refuses to accept this as an arguement as hotel expenses are charged direct to the project to which the Manager has to account for whereas fuel is a company overhead which he does not account for.

Are these internal/external projects?

Has this issue been raised beyond the project team/management.

A policy change is better than trying to work round the issue.

rupee99

timnicebutdim wrote: »

Ok, not that it matters any more but I’ll give it one last go:

- I claim 100 miles from my employer (that I’ve actually travelled in my own car using my own petrol) @ 40p per mile.
- £40 is reimbursed into my personal current account
- I then spend my £40 on whatever I like; whether it be a hotel, 40 packs of jaffa cakes or a subscription to Razz monthly.

No fraud, no obtaining property by deception etc etc… These are the type of expense claims I process everyday at work.

The End.

In those circumstances do what ever you like with the money.

But do not claim 100 miles @ 40p NOT travel the 100 miles and use the money on a hotel. (as was suggested)