Finding out own criminal record

Savvy_Sue

Yup, NACRO will offer advice on disclosing safely.

What we advise applicants to do is to write the information and put it in a sealed envelope attached to the application with 'Disclosure' written on it. That envelope isn't opened UNLESS you've been shortlisted.

Is it 1 in 3 young men having a criminal record, you may find that it doesn't hamper your application as much as you expect.

You could also phone the local authority and ask to speak to whoever deals with CRBs and ask what offences automatically bar you from working with children forever.

terra_ferma

Talking from an employer's point of view, your explanations would not sound too convincing.
Don't take it personally, I'm trying to let you know what to expect.
The best approach is 'I did wrong, I paid the price, now I'm a different person'
The 'it was not my fault, I was treated unfairly' type of thing, as true as it may be, will not help your case, but sound like a bunch of excuses.

dux001

terra_ferma wrote: »

Talking from an employer's point of view, your explanations would not sound too convincing.
Don't take it personally, I'm trying to let you know what to expect.
The best approach is 'I did wrong, I paid the price, now I'm a different person'
The 'it was not my fault, I was treated unfairly' type of thing, as true as it may be, will not help your case, but sound like a bunch of excuses.

Thanks...although I'm not trying to say it wasn't my fault. It was. I chose to react the way I did. I just think it's important to point out that the court recognised that is was mostly self defence and that I was extraordinarily provoked.

I shall try to word it to get that across, rather than a protestation of innocence. All criminals are innocent!

MrsE_2

Someone I know does a job that requires an enhansed CRB, his is pretty long, but all old & spent, so doesn't affect his work.

BUT its all on the CRB.

terra_ferma

dux001 wrote: »

Thanks...although I'm not trying to say it wasn't my fault. It was. I chose to react the way I did. I just think it's important to point out that the court recognised that is was mostly self defence and that I was extraordinarily provoked.

I shall try to word it to get that across, rather than a protestation of innocence. All criminals are innocent!

Yes, you got my point.
I once interviewed someone who had been in jail but had worked hard to get a qualification. Scored her high, but I was only on the panel for a test, not the decision making on that occasion.
I would have given her the job.
I respect people who have had it rough and have worked hard to improve their lives.
But I don't work with children so I don't know how it works in schools.

dux001

terra_ferma wrote: »

Yes, you got my point.
I once interviewed someone who had been in jail but had worked hard to get a qualification. Scored her high, but I was only on the panel for a test, not the decision making on that occasion.
I would have given her the job.
I respect people who have had it rough and have worked hard to improve their lives.
But I don't work with children so I don't know how it works in schools.

That, I fear, will be the issue. Even though I won't be directly "working with children", the standards they look for will be the same, and I'm pretty sure my chances are completely scuppered for life by having what amounts to a record for being a violent thug - even though I'm probably the least violent person you could imagine.

To face the fact that one is officially considered, by default, a danger to children is not a pleasant place to be and I'm starting to wish I'd never gone down this road. It's no longer about getting the actual job, it's where it's starting to leave me mentally.

Obi167

A friend of mine works for social services working with children which did require an enhanced CRB check. In a previous life he was convicted of a violent offence for which he spent a time in prison (and I don't think this was the only one). This was disclosed and did not end his application.

Although I work for the police in a job that doesn't require a CRB check and have a previous record for a non violent offence. The police officer that arrested me was contacted when I applied and was basically asked if he would have any problem with my application, he answered no as I 'had offered no violence'.

So I suppose it could go either way.

Obi167

but be honest... If your worried about it now, your worry will be 10 fold if you dont disclose and get the job.

dux001

Obi167 wrote: »

but be honest... If your worried about it now, your worry will be 10 fold if you dont disclose and get the job.

Oh I know...if I go ahead with the application I will be disclosing.

However at the moment I'm minded to forget all about it. There's just no way a school is going to take me on - I am in legal terms a violent criminal.

Obi167

you have to have a go at least once - otherwise you'll never know.