Half of new jobs are created by the state

donaldtramp

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article7009695.ece

NEARLY three-fifths of the growth in jobs under Labour during a decade in power was directly or indirectly created by the state, new research shows.
Across the country as a whole, it says 57% of new jobs created during the period 1997-2007 were state or “para-state” — dependent on government spending .
In the West Midlands these jobs accounted for all of the rise in employment, with no new private sector jobs generated overall. More than 80% of new jobs for women nationally depended on the state.
The research, which was carried out at Manchester University’s Centre for Research on Socio-Cultural Change, concludes that Britain’s business model before the financial crisis in 2007 was “undisclosed and unsustainable”. ......

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It includes consultants employed by central government and local authorities who are officially in the private sector but whose work would disappear if the public spending taps were turned off.
In all, the researchers calculate that of the 2.24m jobs created in Britain under new Labour until 2007, fewer than 1m were true private sector jobs, while 1.27m were in this wider public sector. In the West Midlands there was a net fall of nearly 37,000 in private sector jobs, offset by a 105,000 rise in state and para-state work. In the northeast, 79% of new jobs were state-dependent, compared with 41% in London and the southeast. ...

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Nationally, of the 1.1m new jobs taken by women in the years leading up to the crisis, 81% were dependent on public spending with a particular increase in part-time work.
Williams said the research showed that politicians had to be intelligent in their approach to public spending: “Longer term we need a debate about a new kind of national business model. The public sector cannot sustainably fill in for an anaemic private sector.”

lemonjelly

Just shows how the private sector will neglect so much & so many.

In addition, if companies are investing less, we will be dependent on public service projects to keep money going around our economy at the moment.

Some posters here seem to have a real issue regarding the amount of tax they pay. Is that all that your life revolves around? Are all important decisions based upon money & tax? When you vote, is the main thing you vote for the amount of tax you pay? Or do you actually take into account the character & morals of the party you would vote for?

Serious question.

iamana1ias

Half of new threads have already been posted

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=2242137&highlight=state

abaxas

lemonjelly wrote: »

Just shows how the private sector will neglect so much & so many.

In addition, if companies are investing less, we will be dependent on public service projects to keep money going around our economy at the moment.

Some posters here seem to have a real issue regarding the amount of tax they pay. Is that all that your life revolves around? Are all important decisions based upon money & tax? When you vote, is the main thing you vote for the amount of tax you pay? Or do you actually take into account the character & morals of the party you would vote for?

Serious question.

For me, tax isnt an issue. It's what we get for the money.

Having worked in both the private and public sectors. To put it bluntly I'm well p!22sed off with the waste in the public sector.

Old_Slaphead

abaxas wrote: »

For me, tax isnt an issue. It's what we get for the money.

Having worked in both the private and public sectors. To put it bluntly I'm well p!22sed off with the waste in the public sector.

We're getting to that time of year where all public sector budget holders are now desperately spending their budget on something/anything so that their budgets don't get cut back next year.

There appears to be no perception of value for money in the public sector (or there certainly wasn't last year - are things starting to change ?????)

The_White_Horse

lemonjelly wrote: »

Just shows how the private sector will neglect so much & so many.

In addition, if companies are investing less, we will be dependent on public service projects to keep money going around our economy at the moment.

Some posters here seem to have a real issue regarding the amount of tax they pay. Is that all that your life revolves around? Are all important decisions based upon money & tax? When you vote, is the main thing you vote for the amount of tax you pay? Or do you actually take into account the character & morals of the party you would vote for?

Serious question.

The point is, it is not a matter of the private sector neglecting so many - the private sector pays for all of the public sector. where do you think the money actually comes from to pay for all these idiot jobs?

a lot of people are upset by the amount of tax they pay - for not a lot in return.

I pay an unbelievable amount of tax each month - when I look at it, i think "what the hell am i getting for all this???" especially when council tax and road tax is seperate.

People don't mind paying tax if it genuinely increases their enviornment - but it doesn#'t. it increases the well being of lefties and layabouts.

I am happy to pay for the NHS, if we all do. But why should I pay, so layabouts and health tourists/migrants get free health care? I am happy to pay for education if the kids get a good education - but they don't. I would be happy to pay for a benefit system that actually helps those who deserve it. But it doesn't. If I lost my job tomorrow, i would get nothing - no one would pay my bills - the benefits wouldn't cover a 10th of my bills. The safety net should provide for me, for a set period of time, say 6 months, and then that is it. The system has been ruined by idiot do good lefties. It no longer provides a safety net for workers who pay in, it simply provides a lifestyle for scum, whilst wasting precious resources translating benefit leaflets into every language in the world so layabouts from across the globe can get their freebies.

People should be able to opt out and pay privately. If I had my tax money, I could easily afford to opt out.

Stop taking my money, and giving it to benefit scum and stupid non-jobs and their massive pensions.

Graham_Devon

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

We're getting to that time of year where all public sector budget holders are now desperately spending their budget on something/anything so that their budgets don't get cut back next year.

There appears to be no perception of value for money in the public sector (or there certainly wasn't last year - are things starting to change ?????)

Nope not changing.

One simple rule change would help though. Don't make them spend their budgets so they get the same next year.

Set a budget, let them keep any excess.

Councils etc become richer, money is not wasted. Money the council holds can always be used for other projects later on.

Making them spend all the money is simply daft.

StevieJ

People on here don't appear to understand the concept of a budget :eek: The chances are that if budgets have not been spent the work has not been done e.g. roads have not been repaired.

westv

StevieJ wrote: »

People on here don't appear to understand the concept of a budget :eek: The chances are that if budgets have not been spent the work has not been done e.g. roads have not been repaired.

Surely a budget is a limit not a target.

chucky

westv wrote: »

Surely a budget is a limit not a target.

a budget is a forecast or a financial plan nothing else.

westv

westv wrote: »

Surely a budget is a limit not a target.

chucky wrote: »

a budget is a forecast or a financial plan nothing else.

It still shouldn't mean that you should artificially spend up to the budget amount - if that actually happens of course.