Petition for reduced student loan interest next year

vaporate

CLAPTON wrote: »

by way of an example

the tuition fees for overseas students for an undergraduate course at Manchester Uni are

Arts course 11,300 pa
science course 14,200 pa

Ouch! :eek:

hstudent

malkie76 wrote: »

IInaccurate comment. Universities in Scotland are free, Universities in England are not - any UK citizen is permitted to attend University wherever they please (subject to entrance criteria).

No English or Welsh students pay the same rate of tuition fees to go to a Scottish University as an English or Welsh University. Scottish students get free University with in Scotland.

hstudent

malkie76 wrote: »

I don't believe the UK fund overseas students to come and study in the UK to the tune of £7k, but I'd be very interested to learn more on the matter if we are (ie can you provide some evidence?)

Also, I'd appreciate you qualifying your remark that US salaries are "significantly higher than British ones" - is that across the board, or only in certain positions or industries ? (ie can you provide some evidence?)

While I was at Uni I met other students from a range of different countries: France, Ireland, Denmark, Holland, Germany, Greece, Italy, Finland, Taiwan, China, Hong Kong, Iran and Pakistan. I didn't go round asking every international student about their finances but a general conscious seemed to be they were shocked at how much we paid in tuition fees and that we had to pay back student loans and all gave the impression that their time in England would be at no cost to themselves.

I can't think of the name of it but there was a European program to let British students do one year abroad for practically free and I seemed to get the impression that if you're from a different European country then you can do the same thing for much longer for free.

Relating to US salaries look up what GDP and GNP are if you don't already know and then compare US and UK figures.

malkie76

I take it that's a 'no' when pushed for evidence?
Anecdotal stories don't really count for much. Saying 'look it up yourself' doesn't hold a great deal of water either.

JoJil

vaporate wrote: »

It is also extremely unfair that scots get it free (from English tax payers no doubt. Get ready to lose that if they push for Scotland independance) while English students do not.

EU students (but not English or Welsh) can also get the same as the Scots if they go to a university in scotland.

Floxxie

Are you talking about the Erasmus scholarship programme?

EU students are entitled to the same financial assistance as UK students if they meet the criteria and likewise a UK student can study in an European country with the same financial assistance as their students if they meet the criteria.

International students pay international rate tuition fees which are substantially higher than the fees charged for UK students. BTW UK students who already have a degree are charged at this higher rate too.

malkie76

That's exactly what I thought !!

Running_Horse

vaporate wrote: »

Does it matter?

Some do it to release pressure from having to pass.
Some do it purely to relax
some 'idiots' do it purely to cause trouble.

It is unfair to brand all students as pi$$ heads.

How does being drunk help you pass? Study instead.
Do students have to be drunk to relax? Go for a walk or relax with friends.
Drunken idiots have no business stealing the privelige of university from someone else.

Does it matter? In the context of a discussion about student debt, then yes, it does. I work full time and can afford to spend £10 in the pub maybe once a fortnight. If I decided to borrow money to get drunk, then demanded less than zero per cent interest rates for that borrowing, people would quite rightly tell me to get lost. Grow up and take some responsibility as an adult.

CLAPTON

hstudent wrote: »

You do realise that many European and Asian national students studying in the UK usually get given funding, not a loan, of up to £7000 a year including their tutition fees paid. I hope you also do realise that American salaries are significantly higher than British ones so a couple of thousand is nothing to a lot of Americans.

random figures form the internet for year 2008

gross national income per capita... in US dollars

US 47,580
UK 45,390

so US is about 4% richer than the UK
obviously exchange rates etc will affect theses figures

PolishBigSpender

vaporate wrote: »

Why push up tution fees from £1250 (which I could of paid for each year)

You don't know the difference between 'could've' and 'could of' and yet expect to go to university? My, my, my...

It is also extremely unfair that scots get it free (from English tax payers no doubt. Get ready to lose that if they push for Scotland independance) while English students do not.

English students can't even spell independence, it would seem.

I take it that you don't know anything about devolution and how, in fact, Scotland chooses to spend her money differently to England? And yet you want to study at university?

Something tells me that it's a good sign that you can't afford to go!