School closed. You have to make the time up in holidays!

Oldernotwiser

woody01 wrote: »

Why is this not right?

The teachers are paid well enough so they should either make up the time or forfeit the relevant pay for the time.

Nobody said that the member of staff in question is a teacher!

the182guy

slummymummyof3 wrote: »

I feel quite irritated by some of the comments on here about teachers being paid to sit at home on their lazy *****. I for one spend every evening and most of Sunday each week planning and marking work.

My job is not one that I am paid to work 24 hours a day. Teaching is not a 9-3 occupation and I have certainly not sitting at home without doing any work. If you worked out how many hours the average teacher spends on planning and marking each week I think you would find it would equate to less than the minimum wage.

This thread is more geared towards other staff at the school who can't do a lot without kids being there, rather than about teachers having time off.

My OH is a teacher and she is happy to do lesson planning and marking at home on days like this.

looby75

my mum is a dinner lady and a cleaner in a school, as the school is closed today she won't be going in, and that's fine for her dinner lady's job she will get paid as normal and doesn't have to make the time up.

But for her cleaning job she's expected to make up the time in the holidays She's employed by the same school for both jobs!

onlyforboards_2

Anihilator wrote: »

The idiots on these forums really are a bunch of scammers.

Most people seem to be asking for the option of unpaid leave. Hardly a scam.

daniel_owen_uk

looby75 wrote: »

my mum is a dinner lady and a cleaner in a school, as the school is closed today she won't be going in, and that's fine for her dinner lady's job she will get paid as normal and doesn't have to make the time up.

But for her cleaning job she's expected to make up the time in the holidays She's employed by the same school for both jobs!

You can clean the school in the holidays, but it's hard to serve food to non existant kids

imfedup

right well heres my 2 penny worth

My kids have yet to go back after the christmas holidays - I dont live in scotland I live in the north west and not one of the most affected areas either, yes its bad but there are worse areas. So far they have had 3 weeks off school and so have the teachers. Yes for health and safety reasons they have shut the schools down so they are not open therefore not even giving the chance for the teachers to go in BUT what about us parents that have struggled to find childcare as it is over the holidays and now have to keep checking websites to see whether the school will re-open tomorrow so that we can find more childcare that we werent expecting. If I dont come into work due to the children being off or the weather conditions then I have to take a days holiday or unpaid leave, so I come into work and then have to pay for someone else to look after my kids! In the meantime they are loosing valuable education, one child is in their SATS year! yes I try as much as I can at home but they dont want to do it as they feel its still a holiday.

I have friends who are also teachers and the fact that they keep telling me how wonderful it is that they cant go into work and that they are having duvet days and wine and laughing purely because they have another week off doesnt help matters. I am not saying that all teachers are like this and some will want to get to school but the majority it seems are happy with the way things are without a second thought about how working parents are struggling.

Its a bit of ice and snow for goodness sake, but the whole country seems to have come to a standstill, if we believe what we read then with global warming this will become the norm - so should I give up my job just in case the schools keep shutting and live on the dole!

the182guy

imfedup wrote: »

right well heres my 2 penny worth

My kids have yet to go back after the christmas holidays - I dont live in scotland I live in the north west and not one of the most affected areas either, yes its bad but there are worse areas. So far they have had 3 weeks off school and so have the teachers. Yes for health and safety reasons they have shut the schools down so they are not open therefore not even giving the chance for the teachers to go in BUT what about us parents that have struggled to find childcare as it is over the holidays and now have to keep checking websites to see whether the school will re-open tomorrow so that we can find more childcare that we werent expecting. If I dont come into work due to the children being off or the weather conditions then I have to take a days holiday or unpaid leave, so I come into work and then have to pay for someone else to look after my kids! In the meantime they are loosing valuable education, one child is in their SATS year! yes I try as much as I can at home but they dont want to do it as they feel its still a holiday.

I have friends who are also teachers and the fact that they keep telling me how wonderful it is that they cant go into work and that they are having duvet days and wine and laughing purely because they have another week off doesnt help matters. I am not saying that all teachers are like this and some will want to get to school but the majority it seems are happy with the way things are without a second thought about how working parents are struggling.

Its a bit of ice and snow for goodness sake, but the whole country seems to have come to a standstill, if we believe what we read then with global warming this will become the norm - so should I give up my job just in case the schools keep shutting and live on the dole!

This is exactly the point I was making when I started this thread. The school I'm talking about is closed, yet they are dragging all staff in.

I can see how unfortunate it is for parents, but it's even worse that the school is "closed" but has all staff in. They have the staff there, they might aswell have the kids too, and save parents the problems of taking time off work. You say that teachers you know have been told to stay at home, so this is obviously the general policy that seems to be present for most schools.

imfedup

I can understand why in some cases it is a massive health and safety risk to the kids especially in todays "blame society" BUT there must be a way of keeping the kids in the building during the day - they do it on rainy days so why not on icey days? I am happy to walk my kids to the building making sure that if they fall over this is down to me not the school. So now some will say what about high school where they have to walk outside between lessons - so what about the teachers coming to them, the kids all stay in their form room, the adults go and teach there?

There must be something that can be done that is of benefit to all?

looby75

daniel_owen_uk wrote: »

You can clean the school in the holidays, but it's hard to serve food to non existant kids

yeah but it doesn't seem fair that the majority of the staff at the school are getting paid for the time the school is closed and aren't expected to make up the time, but the cleaners are.

Surely is should be the same for everyone, either unpaid leave or make the time up.

fletty

looby75 wrote: »

yeah but it doesn't seem fair that the majority of the staff at the school are getting paid for the time the school is closed and aren't expected to make up the time, but the cleaners are.

Surely is should be the same for everyone, either unpaid leave or make the time up.

Our council is the opposite, building and cleaning are getting paid but dinner staff are not. I don't know how they are going to do this as most school cleaners also do dinners there's already uproar. I've had two of my girls on the phone saying they're going to the union.

The managers of catering and the managers of building and cleaning all share a office and must know how much trouble it's going to cause.