Help me have a Christmas Dinner - Indesit Cooker installation problem

cyberbob

Recently moved house and have bought a new Indesit KD6C35 cooker. We've not had a cooker for 2 months. So all connections there so i'm just wiring it in (I have done it before and its straightforward) Anyway there is a black plastic cover covering the terminals on the cooker. And for the life of me I cant get it off. I have pushed where it says to push and fiddled and poked and it still wont come off.

Anyone got any experience or ideas. Otherwise I could be cooking christmas dinner on a 1 ring camping stove:eek:

Thanks

mikey72

Are you using twin and earth, or round cable?

cyberbob

Solved it brute force and ignorance. Who can believe a little plastic cover took that much effort. Used twin and earth only problem is had to get some sleeve to insulate the earth. But its all working now.

mikey72

Was afraid you would say that.
Twin and earth isn't heat resistant, isn't flexible and shouldn't be used to wire the cooker.
The correct spec should be in the manual.

andrew-b

Twin & Earth is fine so long as it's 6mm2 cross section and it's hooked upto a 32A double-pole cooker point on suitable circuit (plus of course a fair bit of spare cable so can be pulled out.
Instructions say "power supply cable should conform to B.S.6004 with a conductor size of 6mm2, minimum" ...twin & earth 6mm (6242Y) meets that.

mikey72

andrew-b wrote: »

Twin & Earth is fine so long as it's 6mm2 cross section and it's hooked upto a 32A double-pole cooker point on suitable circuit (plus of course a fair bit of spare cable so can be pulled out.
Instructions say "power supply cable should conform to B.S.6004 with a conductor size of 6mm2, minimum" ...twin & earth 6mm (6242Y) meets that.

Hmm,
no.
It'll never be a thermoplastic.
(how can you read his instructions, are you his neighbour?)

andrew-b

Downloaded from indesit service website

Cable isn't going inside the oven so no need to be heat resistant? Cookers are pretty well insulated these days and don't get that hot (on the outside that is !)

keystone

Right now I'm more concerned about the CSA of the cable that the OP has used because he hasn't actually said!

It may well be the existing cable from the existing cooker point was used.

Perhaps he/she could pop back on and say.

Cheers

andrew-b

Hopefully they followed the instructions with 6mm2 or more ..but should also check the cable supplying the cooker point is at least 6mm2 all the way back to the consumer unit on a dedicated circuit with suitably rated MCB. If there's an outlet on the wall seperate to the switch need to check that cable too! Probably ok if they previously had an electric cooker hooked up but can never be too sure!

mikey72

andrew-b wrote: »

Downloaded from indesit service website

Cable isn't going inside the oven so no need to be heat resistant? Cookers are pretty well insulated these days and don't get that hot (on the outside that is !)

still a no.
Twin and earth is the wrong cable to use.
Read post 20
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=863363
actually it's worth saying again

As a rough and ready guide, with a complete disclaimer on any and all advice, implied, or given, and that there are always exceptions-
If I fit a twin and earth, rated at 70C, it is thermoplastic, ie it will melt again with heat. A 90C cable (such as H05BB) that I fit will be thermosetting, it's irreversible, it won't melt, (but it can burn).
The difference between say vinyl and a car tyre.
Cable must be "de-rated" with ambient temperature. It's all spec'ed at 30C to carry current.
As a guide only, if you raise the 70C spec cable to an ambient of 60C, it can now only carry half the current it could before. Otherwise it will get hotter, as the current it is carrying can make it heat up. And it can start to damage itself.
A 90C cable can get to 75C before the current carrying capability is halved. All this applies to a cable in free air, and the de-rating applies all the way from 30C up to it's maximum temperature, so say at 40C, both cables have to carry less than their full rating, or they can overheat. The same applies to any cable anywhere, but the figures change.

If you use a 4mm cable to connect, and it's close to it's capacity, and it gets hotter than 30C, it's bad.
Without seeing the installation, and knowing the cooker, I can't say what to use, but without seeing it, I wouldn't be using 4mm.
(When you specify cable, it's always by conductor size, eg 4mm, 6mm, 10mm. How it's made then affects the od)

sparky883

Tell that to the local councils,Who use in my area 6 or 10mm Twin/Earth.