Bathroom Door Lock Question

waveyjane

I have a new door for a new downstairs loo. Now I want to fit a handle into a bathroom door lock for it (with a thumb turn under it).

The trouble is, the handle is a door-knob style (oval in fact), and the only door locks I can find all seem to place the handle very near the edge of the door. If I put it there, I'll rip my knuckles off on the architrave every time I turn the handle.

The other doors in the house have locks that are about 150mm, so their oval handles are nicely away from the edge of the door. Does anyone know where I can find a bathroom door lock about 150mm deep? I'm talking about something like this:

http://www.ironmongerydirect.co.uk/Products/Locks_Latches_and_Security/Commercial_Locks_and_Latches/1236/Union_2226_5mm_Bathroom_Lock/

Thanks for any help.

tomfun

I understand what you want, a normal privacy lock for a w.c would be around 60-70mm from the doors edge, i don`t know how or why you need a depth of 6" other than to match your existing doors.

I`ve never come across a mortice lock on an internal door at 6" deep.

ic

I also understand your problem with the door knob being too close to the frame (I had this problem), but six inches in? I got some door latches that gave another 2 cm or so. On my bathroom I have a separate lock like this: http://www.screwfix.com/prods/15558/Security/Door-Security/Door-Security-Accessories/Bathroom-Lock.

ormus

an internal door mortice lock, is surely a bit over the top. and esp for a bathroom door.
a simple slide bolt is enough.
or if you need access from outside then the lock as per the screwfix one above.

andrew-b

Or cheaper: http://www.screwfix.com/cats/A432888/Ironmongery/Bolts-Catches/Door-Bolts/Bathroom-Indicator-Bolts (the £4.88 one's)...has the advantage that someone can get in the room in an emergency simply using a screwdriver/coin etc from outside rather than barging the door down - plus you know if someone is already in there! I'd favour my suggestion over cheap mortice locks/latch suggested which are prone to failure leaving you stuck in the bathroom ...this has happened to my sister and involved ladders and windows!

Standard bolt not such a good idea particularly if you have young children who are liable to get trapped in there as only way into the room is via kicking it hard enough at the right place to push the screws out - usually ending in damage to frame or door or foot!

If you use one of those i suggest or indeed a standard bolt you will likely have to notch out the architrave on the door frame but no big deal.

rosekitten

I bought this on ebay the seller sells sets of door
handles but will sell seperatly,have to say the price
he charges is so reasonable and I could not find this
localy as cheap as him even with the p&p inc,advantage
here if anyone locks themselves in or has an accident you
can open it from the outside.The quality is really nice too

http://galleryplus.ebayimg.com/ws/web/140306784489_3_0_1.jpg

leveller2911

Hi Waveyjane,
The lock you have probably has a "backset" (the measurement from the centre of the spindal (handle ) hole to the face of the lock (door edge) of 44mm. You just need to get a bathroom lock with a backset of 57mm this sets the handle hole further away from the edge of the door and won't smack your knuckles when you turn it.

The only issue is whether the old handle hole will be covered by the knob rose when its further back from the edge of the door............will post a link in a mo...

regards Leveller.http://www.ironmongerydirect.co.uk/Products/Locks_Latches_and_Security/Commercial_Locks_and_Latches/1224/Easi_T_5mm_Bathroom_Pattern_Architectural_Sashlock/

PS 150mm deep locks are normally rim locks.These are screwed on the face of the door (usually on the room side) not classed as a mortice lock.The locks in your link are fine just choose the 57mm backset.On the Ironmongery direct site they have allsorts of locks ,you can get a lock whereby the handle rose is close to the thumb turn or further apart depending on what you prefer.
http://www.ironmongerydirect.co.uk/Products/Locks_Latches_and_Security/Rim_Locks_and_Latches/11409/Rim_Locks___Plain_Edge_Sashlocks___Brass/

Mikeyorks

As you obviously already have the handle .... this sort of tubular mortice is all you need. Not a full blooded mortice lock. This one - unusually - is available with a depth up to just over 5", should be adequate for your knuckles?

http://www.handles4doors.co.uk/Door-Locks-Security-Hardware/Mortice-Latches/sc663/p15336.aspx

And you just fit

with a thumb turn under it

something like the Screwfix item in post #3 underneath?

This sort of integrated thumbturn is much neater .... but not a lot of use if you're matching handles to existing doors?

http://www.worldofbrass.co.uk/shop/products/victorian_privacy_lever_door_handles.htm

waveyjane

Thanks all for the replies!

For the record (just so people don't feel ignored!)...

@ tomfun - Please re-read my post and note the point about my knuckles.

@ ic - Note sure what that has to do with the door handle (I have a thumbturn, that's not the issue).

@ ormus - We need access from the outside (we have naughty kids, old grannies, etc.) so see my reply to ic above.

@ andrew-b - Good point about cheap mortice locks being prone to failure, but the one I'm buying is 40 quid and built like a tank.

@ rosekitten - Thanks, but that won't go with my existing doors, which are all knobs, not handles, hence my original post and reference to knuckles.

@ leveller2911 - I agree, hence my buying a lock with a decent backset that a) saves my knuckles, and b) is the same as the other doors in my house. I don't want a rimlock for this reason as well.

@ Mikeyorks - Ah, now that might have done the trick and saved me (well, my builder) £28! Damn!